I just wished iPP would be "desktop class" and have a full version of web browsers. Ie I want chrome to a full version like chrome on a Chromebook where items display properly and extensions can be used.
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iPad Pro Just Replaced My MacBook
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Forget about iPad Pro. Who wants to create problems in their workflow? Of course you can do almost anything on an iPad Pro, but even basic tasks takes forever. GORILLA ARM. Shortcuts does not solve a thing and arrow scrolling only works in Safari. Really wanted iPad Pro to work, but realised it was just the idea of something new. Could do anything, but nothing works really well.
The way I see it is that a lot of people have been buying desktops/ laptops when they don't need all that power. So now with the iPads they finally have a device that fits their needs without the extra bells and whistles they never used.
I agree, but remember that is is marketed as a pro device and that many with pro tasks try to replace their MacBook with it. They do it blind because of marketing and maybe the fun... To be able to use iPad and buy only one device. Reality is that they truly compromise their workflow and creates problems for getting things done. The fun is in the trying to replace..
Hm, okay. Maybe you do have a point about marketing. I went through all the trying to use iPad as a laptop thing when the original iPad first came out. That did truly complicate the workflow, lol. Now iOS is more powerful, I'm aware of all its limitations, there are tons of apps and services that gets me around most of the limitations, and I've had time to incorporate iOS into my workflow -- so for me, the iPad Pro really does add to my productivity than detract from it. There's just one or two things that I still need my desktop for, but about 90-95% of my work can be done from the iPad.
Not the power from my perspective, rather the functionality. I have tried iOS apps as replacements for my laptop/desktop apps and have found very few cases where the iOS app meets my needs. Usually the iOS version is "crippled". SO going back to my statement, if you don't need the functionality an iPad may work. If you do, no matter the size or the power, it won't.
Ok, so I was conflating power with functionality. My argument stands. Yes, iOS versions of apps often have less features than desktop versions. And a lot of users never use those features. So they never needed a desktop/laptop to begin with.
i am sure there are plenty of people out there who would love to work with an ipad pro, but my guess is that many are not "professionals," or they are using it as an accessory to a computer. ios apps, in my experience, are very limited in functionality, and there are everyday situations that needlessly become headaches on the ipad. video clips don't play, pages render improperly, sites load up pathetic mobile versions, the ipad randomly reboots (several times a month on my ipad air 2), or apps automatically update with buggy versions (there is no going back in ios). just because something can be done, doesn't mean it should. no matter how great the hardware is, without a better os, the device is not a "pro" in my opinion.
IMO, a device doesn't need to be a full computer to be "pro" -- a supplementary device could certainly increase someone's productivity in a meaningful way.
Videos not playing is because they are in flash, which is becoming less and less of a problem every day. Improper page rendering is also a website coding problem, which hopefully will get better as more websites account for mobile devices. iOS now lets you request a desktop version of a website, which works well on some sites, whereas other sites keep bouncing you back to mobile versions (I'm looking at you, Google!). I admit all this is problematic, but it's also not entirely up to Apple to fix it.
You can revert to older versions of apps if you make a habit of saving older versions of apps on your computer. You'll have to turn automatic app updates off, and be careful to avoid pushing the "update all" button, but it can be done, albeit not very easily.
And in the end, it's not like desktop OS are completely headache free, either. I had to have my hard drive replaced on my iMac, and I'm dreading having to reinstall everything (I don't dare restore my time machine backup for fear of restoring the problem along with all my old settings). So each system has its own pros and cons, and it's a personal decision which tradeoffs work better for you.
For me, the iPad Pro does increase my productivity a lot. I'm getting work done about twice as fast now that I have one. I know that depends on the kind of work you do. But just because iPad doesn't fit YOUR work requirements, doesn't mean it can't be a "professional" device for someone else.
that's fair. but, by that logic, anything that gets the job done is a "pro" device, so duct tape and screwdrivers ought to come with the "pro" appendage? some do
my beef is with apple putting out a product called a pro which is essentially just another ipod, but bigger! and, with a keyboard, as if my ipad air 2 wasn't working just fine with all of the other keyboards out there. bigger doesn't seem very "professional" to me. but then, neither is the rmb. it gets the job done and it is my main computer, but i'll be the first to admit that my rmbp is the "real" pro. i guess mac pro users are laughing by this point in my post, because to them we all look like people playing with toys. i guess it is a matter of perspective.
i am glad the ipad is working for you (i've posted extensively about how the ipad worked for me as well), but i think users have to recognize the limitations and be sure they can work within them. the inability to use videos and websites is a pretty big deal -- yes, there are always workarounds, but at some point they got too onerous for me.
Yes, sure. Just because Apple calls it "pro" doesn't mean it'll help you get YOUR job done. (Generic you, not you personally.) It's up to each user to do due research and see if it fits their use requirements. But you mentioned the difference between regular MacBook and MacBook Pro, and to me the difference between regular iPads (mini and air) and iPad Pro seems similar to that difference. MBP is larger, has more powerful CPU, more RAM, has more ports than MB. iPP is larger, has more powerful CPU and more RAM than the regular ipads, and has the Pencil and the keyboard connector. So to me, it feels like Apple is being consistent with its usage of the word "Pro." And it's not like there's a separate version of OSX for the MBP, or even for the Mac Pro for that matter. So why complain that iPad Pro has the same version of iOS as other iPads? Did you seriously expect that?
Had the IPP come with OS X I would certainly consider it, as it clearly doesn't I have no interest in the device. IOS for me is strictly for media consumption, with the IPP doing nothing more for me than my 8" Samsung, likely far less.
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more powerful is more "pro"? ok. that makes sense. i suppose there isn't much point in getting into the names of devices. i guess i am just niggling here.
my problem with the ipad is, indeed, that ios has become a disappointment for me. i didn't seriously expect apple to make an ipad pro, so i couldn't have expected a new os either. i was surprised when it came out, to be honest.
anyhow. if something works for you that's great!
Many companies use the "pro" tag for higher spec models. You can't take the "pro" tag so serious or too literal. It doesn't mean the iPad Pro is only for professionals doing professional tasks.
I agree but tell TC what the IPP is for as he seems to think it's something different
I agree but tell TC what the IPP is for as he seems to think it's something different
Yeah, but what Tim Cook said was that the iPP is the only device he needed to take with him on business trips. He isn't coding, or remoting into the servers at Apple headquarters to maintain their SQL database, or Photoshopping pictures for the "taken with iPhone" ad campaign, or editing videos. He's probably just emailing, maybe has a few keynote presentations, view and edit some spreadsheets, annotating some PDFs.... Just a lot of light usage on the go for which iPad is more than enough. I'm sure he has an iMac or Mac Pro at home and office for the heavy lifting.
yep. from my perspective, there is nothing "pro" about apple's mobile os, no matter what the specs are. but, as i said above, i'm just niggling here. it isn't worth it to debate the naming policies at apple.
I really like the "idea" of using the iPad as a "laptop replacement". I supposes it's all relative to you and how you use your device. If it's working for you in the way that you want it, that's all that matters!
Hi everyone. I had the iPad Pro twice. The first time when it just came out and again a few weeks ago. I really wanted to like that thing but I just couldn't. And all I was using it for was consumption. Nothing else. Many of the apps didn't work well with the iPad Pro. The scaling of the font was just odd. Words were not clear and pixelated. And the list goes on and on.
I figured if I tried it again, I won't complain. LOL I went for the gold iPad Pro just to keep myself a little happy but after 2 days I stopped using it and it sat there day after day (again). It's going back again. Sad.
I got ahold of the Macbook in gold and I love it. I'm not sure why I didn't go for this earlier. Maybe it's because I already had the iMac and MBP 15 inch, but this laptop is amazing and I can see myself traveling with this and doing much more than the iPad.. I know everyone is different and have different needs and wants. I just wanted to share my experience.
I figured if I tried it again, I won't complain. LOL I went for the gold iPad Pro just to keep myself a little happy but after 2 days I stopped using it and it sat there day after day (again). It's going back again. Sad.
I got ahold of the Macbook in gold and I love it. I'm not sure why I didn't go for this earlier. Maybe it's because I already had the iMac and MBP 15 inch, but this laptop is amazing and I can see myself traveling with this and doing much more than the iPad.. I know everyone is different and have different needs and wants. I just wanted to share my experience.
This is quite simple to me. With the exception of book reading - rMacBook is better than iPad at every single task. And I literally mean "every".
However, iPad Pro is oversized to even be a comfortable reader, so it's doesn't truly offer an advantage in this task either.
Furthermore - iPad Pro doesn't offer any tangible mobility advantages over rMB, as the two are practically the same size.
Yes you CAN in theory do many productivity takes on an iPad, but it's usually an exercise in frustration. For most people proficient with computers - rMB is by far the better tool.
However, iPad Pro is oversized to even be a comfortable reader, so it's doesn't truly offer an advantage in this task either.
Furthermore - iPad Pro doesn't offer any tangible mobility advantages over rMB, as the two are practically the same size.
Yes you CAN in theory do many productivity takes on an iPad, but it's usually an exercise in frustration. For most people proficient with computers - rMB is by far the better tool.
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I admit that a lot of tasks can be done faster on a rMB, but doing them on an iPad is not *that* frustrating. To me, the tradeoff of not having a physical keyboard is worth it. Ever since I got my first laptop, I've always wished I could take off the keyboard so I could just read. That keyboard really takes up a lot of space on your lap when all you want to do is read. And with the larger screen of the iPad Pro, typing is now a lot easier than it was on the smaller iPads. So I get easier productivity, still with no keyboard. It's a win for me.
The level of "frustration" is in direct correlation to the complexity of the task. Typing off a quick email - not "that" frustrating. Writing a long document or report - very frustrating. Working on a complex document which involves data from multiple apps - excruciatingly frustrating (border lining on impossible).
Touch tablets and iOS don't come anywhere near to the power and functionality of a full computing platform like OS X or Windows 10. Not by a long shot.
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I couldn't agree more. I had a drive fail on my MBP during a flight and urgently needed to complete a document. "Luckily" I had my iPad to finish the work on, but it significantly harder to get it done and was a distraction to the creative inspiration I was trying to find.
I love iPads for consumption, and the pen(cil) looks great, but I need a real mouse/trackpad and keyboard still. Perhaps those with less years and earlier access to tablet devices won't be limited by the habits I seem to constrain me.
I agree. It's not that stuff *can't* be done. Usually, there is a workaround of some kind. But, the more complex the task, the more hoops you have to jump through, and there are all kinds of caveats even for simple tasks. Printing? Good luck, unless you are willing to fork out money for a special apple-friendly printer. Watching a video? Sure. But, it depends on how you want to do it. For example, yesterday I wanted to watch a video clip on the ipad that I had saved on my computer's hard drive. I moved it over to the ipad using airdrop (wonderfully easy), but, for some reason i can only view it in the clumsy apple photo app, not even in apple's "video" app. don't ask me why. now, i think i might be able to take the video, "open in" dropbox, and then "open in" some other app for viewing (a process involving a total of three apps along with the cloud just to watch a video where i'd like). or, i can sync through itunes and put it in the video app. but, both methods require jumping through hoops. on the macbook, i double click the file -- end of story. so many things are like this that it gets bothersome.
if you look through my posts in the forums here, i am actually an advocate of using the ipad to get work done, and i've accomplished a lot with it. however, there are lots and lots of tradeoffs that don't really make it a "replacement" for any computer. eventually, for a lot of folks, you'll need to use a computer. people who are in situations with easy access to computers in the office or at school are probably the best candidates for being able to get by with the ipad. they aren't really replacing a computer, though -- they just happen to have "free" access to computers in a pinch. Depending on your workflow / job, you might be better off getting the really nice ipad mini, saving a bit of money there, and getting the macbook. then, you get the best of both worlds.
The apps really are improving though. Ulysses works the same on iPad Pro or Mac. Omnifocus is functionally the same. More and more apps are coming out that are vastly increased in functionality. That said, while the IPP has replaced my MBP, I still have both a desktop, and a crappy encrypted work laptop. For me though? The IPP has been a godsend.
Could I do it all with just the iPad pro? No. Did I do it all with just a surface pro 3? Or MacBook Pro? No, I still needed my desktop. So what makes sense to eliminate. For me, the surface pro/macbook. And I haven't regretted it for an instant.
Could I do it all with just the iPad pro? No. Did I do it all with just a surface pro 3? Or MacBook Pro? No, I still needed my desktop. So what makes sense to eliminate. For me, the surface pro/macbook. And I haven't regretted it for an instant.