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If this is true apple might end up getting me to replace my iPad 2

I just replace my iPad 3 with iPad Air 2. You don't understand what you're missing even with iPad Air 2. Even my family member who doesn't care about technology stuff noticed the apparent differences immediately.
 
Just seems..... odd. I don't know a ton of people begging for a 13" tablet. It will be fairly heavy, and I just can't imagine business or creatives picking this thing up unless it adds additional functionality on the OS level (power user features).

It wouldn't be any heavier than an og iPad.
 
I can't get excited about this at all. I'd rather have an MBA that had a fold back keyboard and could switch into iOS/touch mode. Not elegant, but way the hell more useful

agreed. At least on osx you can use torrents and aren't limited as much as you are with ipads.
 
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Heard about the rMBP13? Apple will gladly make it thinner and lighter, and even increase battery life, as soon as the technology for it, and intel especially for that matter, allows it. The future 14 nm intel chips might allow a trim on rMBPs without losing in performances nor gaining heat. What would be an hypothetical rMBA13 in comparison?

rMBP 13" has a different design from the MBA.
We already have the 13" MacBook air, just put in it a retina display and you have the perfect "light duty" notebook.
 
It has to be a ratio of the standard iPad to make developers lives easier. But developers don't have to worry about products that will not exist. Nothing in the real world to develop for.

But in people's imaginations, anything is possible. Even that iMac without a screen people keep wanting.
yeah, too bad they gave us a MacBook Air without a screen instead.

Grumble grumble grumble
 
Reality check needed: like it or not, the surface isn't exactly a top seller....

Considering it's starting at $800, it obviously never was meant to sell in the same numbers as the iPad. Hell, neither was the retina iMac, or even an MBA for that matter. That doesn't mean that just because it won't sell in the hundreds of millions, it's not worth pursuing. As long as there's money to be made, and there is, it has a market.

And the SP3 has been doing quite well for MS. It's doubled the sales of the SP2, and finally became a profitable product for them.
 
Reality check needed: like it or not, the surface isn't exactly a top seller....

The surface? No. The surface Pro 3? I know several people who have finally taken the leap on going the this route. Th tech is finally getting there, and Microsoft is committed to making it as much a full computer as possible.

Oh crap, just saw who I quoted. You are right, apple is always 100% correct in everything they do, and everyone else is 100% complete fails. I give up the fight now, before it even starts
 
1. Oh come on... it's evident you're a very strong supporter of all Apple's decisions and trying to downplay the importance / popularity of other OS'es / tablets.

2. The Pana Toughbook is VERY expensive at $4k. For, say, one-third the price, tons of more people would purchase it.

1. What that has to do with your market analysis? In my opinion the iPad is in another league in the tablet market, so far. I'm waiting for Android lollipop and nexus 9 to see if they can produce a serious, credible contender. Samsung's tablets are a joke in my opinion. Nexus 7 was fine, but not supported by a true tablet OS and competing only with the iPad mini.

2. Panasonic isn't a big name in this market. Sony made some fine tablets, surely not worse than Samsung's, but they sold very poorly. So I ask you again: why do you think a gigantic Panasonic tablet could change this trend?
 
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I really hope it can run OSX as well. If that's the case I'll be getting one!

It won't. There won't be native OS X tablets in the next 2-3 years.

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1. What that has to do with your market analysis? In my opinion the iPad is in another league in the tablet market, so far. I'm waiting for Android lollipop and nexus 9 to see if they can produce a serious, credible contender. Samsung's tablets are a joke in my opinion. Nexus 7 was fine, but not supported by a true tablet is and competing only with the iPad mini.

2. Panasonic isn't a big name in this market. Sony made some fine tablets, surely not worse than Samsung's, but they sold very poorly. So I ask you again: why do you think a gigantic Panasonic tablet could change this trend?

I'm speaking of advanced users: people that do require decent stylus support, while they don't necessarily need a desktop OS because they do find a decent mobile alternative for the tablet / pen apps they use. For example, PDF annotation with a pen - something I very often use on my Wacom-based tablet PC's but, given how much more inferior capacitive "styli" are, refuse to use on iPads.

Now, with proper stylus support, I could entirely switch to iPads for PDF reading & annotation. GoodReader and the like are pretty advanced. All I need is stylus support.
 
The surface? No. The surface Pro 3? I know several people who have finally taken the leap on going the this route. Th tech is finally getting there, and Microsoft is committed to making it as much a full computer as possible.

Oh crap, just saw who I quoted. You are right, apple is always 100% correct in everything they do, and everyone else is 100% complete fails. I give up the fight now, before it even starts

Several people you know? How many? 2? 20? 200? Still an irrelevant number.

I like the surface pro 3 very much. I'd like to buy one, but it can't replace my iPad air because is bigger, heavier and less intuitive to use (the last point being subjective).
But still the surface pro 3 isn't a top seller.

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It won't. There won't be native OS X tablets in the next 2-3 years.

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I'm speaking of advanced users: people that do require decent stylus support, while they don't necessarily need a desktop OS because they do find a decent mobile alternative for the tablet / pen apps they use. For example, PDF annotation with a pen - something I very often use on my Wacom-based tablet PC's but, given how much more inferior capacitive "styli" are, refuse to use on iPads.

Now, with proper stylus support, I could entirely switch to iPads for PDF reading & annotation. GoodReader and the like are pretty advanced. All I need is stylus support.
I know there is a niche for that kind of tablets. I'm just saying I can't see Apple going for a niche.
 
Oh crap, just saw who I quoted. You are right, apple is always 100% correct in everything they do, and everyone else is 100% complete fails. I give up the fight now, before it even starts

Yup. You gotta take everything he says with a grain of salt. I vaguely remember arguing with him over larger phones, and he pulled out the old tried and true "average consumer doesn't care about phones over 4 inches" argument.

...and what do you know, the iPhone 6+ came out, and is making Apple a bundle, apparently breaking all kinds of sales records. The same thing happened with the iPad Mini, which I know quite a few people here dismissed with the same perfect size, average consumer argument.

That's not to say an iPad Pro will make just as many waves. It'll be more expensive, and by design caters to a much narrower niche. But if it's good, it'll sell, and Apple will make money.
 
I've posted something similar before, but I don't see the iPad as a compromise only aimed at those who want something more portable/cheaper than a laptop. It's a different device altogether.

The iPad is a new way of computing by the means of direct manipulation of the UI through multitouch, something that a mouse/trackpad doesn't provide. I love using a touch screen, it's a joy to use, and a lot of people feel that way.

Of course there are some things that mouse/trackpad and a "full fledged" OS like OS X can do that are harder or impossible to do on an iPad, but conversely there are still tons of things that are as easy or even more intuitive to do on a device like the iPad.

If you can't see how a multitouch screen device could benefit from having a bigger screen then I don't know what to tell you.
 
Agreed.
And i think sufficient precedent has been set with Apple releasing products or features that they previously criticised or said they would not do, that releasing a stylus with a large ipad would be do-able.
 
T I know severl people who have finally taken the leap on going the this route. Th tech is finally getting there...


It's weird, that's the impression i'm getting as well. Surface pro 3 has a good mix, good specs and keyboard that make life easy for many.

It's sad because apple is known for there software/hardware integration, but if you want a keyboard for your ipad for productivity, you have to deal with mediocre third party keyboards.

Koodos to microsoft, hopefully it will make apple get off there lazy ass and think how to make ipad more productive. Because bigger screens and thinner body is the only things we are getting from apple these days.
 
I know there is a niche for that kind of tablets. I'm just saying I can't see Apple going for a niche.

They go with niches all the time. Do you really think the $2500 retina iMac is going to sell even a 10th as well as the iPhone? Of course not. It's primarily a creative/hobbyist machine, which according to a good number of people here, is something 99% of the population doesn't care about.
 
Considering it's starting at $800, it obviously never was meant to sell in the same numbers as the iPad. Hell, neither was the retina iMac, or even an MBA for that matter. That doesn't mean that just because it won't sell in the hundreds of millions, it's not worth pursuing. As long as there's money to be made, and there is, it has a market.

And the SP3 has been doing quite well for MS. It's doubled the sales of the SP2, and finally became a profitable product for them.

iPad air isn't exactly cheap.
The 64 Gb model, same storage size of the surface pro 3, is 730$.
It doesn't matter how good the surface pro 3 is, and it actually is good. The point is that it doesn't compete with the iPad in sales numbers.

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They go with niches all the time. Do you really think the $2500 retina iMac is going to sell even a 10th as well as the iPhone? Of course not. It's primarily a creative/hobbyist machine, which according to a good number of people here, is something 99% of the population doesn't care about.

I'm clearly speaking about iDevices.
The Macs have always been a niche product, with less than 10% market share.
But still Apple discontinued Apple Xserve and 17" MacBook pro, considering them as "niche into a niche" and not worth the effort.
 
iPad air isn't exactly cheap.
The 64 Gb model, same storage size of the surface pro 3, is 730$.
It doesn't matter how good the surface pro 3 is, and it actually is good. The point is that it doesn't compete with the iPad in sales numbers.

And it never will. It's not simply about...wait for it...market share. It's about money. The SP3 is finally making MS money, and it's only going to make them more as word of mouth gets around.

No, you won't get on the bus and see a dozen people with one in their hands, like you will an iPhone or an iPad. But you will have a dedicated group of people buying it and using it, and the same would happen with a souped up iPad Pro.

If Apple were only focused on products that'll maximize their market share, they wouldn't be making Macs anymore. Which would be stupid, because Macs make them a ton of money, despite the fact they're far from being their biggest sellers.

I'm clearly speaking about iDevices.

So? Even an iDevice can cater to a niche, and still make money. It'll be the most expensive of the bunch, that's for sure. But like I said above, if it's good, it'll sell.
 
Yup. You gotta take everything he says with a grain of salt. I vaguely remember arguing with him over larger phones, and he pulled out the old tried and true "average consumer doesn't care about phones over 4 inches" argument.

...and what do you know, the iPhone 6+ came out, and is making Apple a bundle, apparently breaking all kinds of sales records. The same thing happened with the iPad Mini, which I know quite a few people here dismissed with the same perfect size, average consumer argument.

That's not to say an iPad Pro will make just as many waves. It'll be more expensive, and by design caters to a much narrower niche. But if it's good, it'll sell, and Apple will make money.

Before attacking me (reported) just take a look at my signature. I have a phablet and it's not an iPhone....

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But will it bend?

If you push hard enough....
 
Does anyone in the real world think an 8.5 x 11 sheet of paper is too big to be useful? Seems like a sweet spot for all kinds of content if the weight is right, and Apple has been quite successful with lightweight devices.

Paper is not totally comparable to an iPad. But who knows what Apple will do.
Yes I can say Jobs would never do it. He cut the pointless SKUs in his 2nd coming. A skill Tim Cook is yet to master.
 
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