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Surface owner for quite a while and an iPad owner in various forms for longer.

You need both and a big laptop/PC. Here is why,

You need a decent tablet so iPad. You need a portable laptop/hybrid that has a full OS and is portable. I'm in a coffee shop typing this and I wouldn't use any other device for this than my Surface 3. You need a full laptop/PC cause who wants to stare at a 10-12" screen for a long time. You need a 15.6"+ screen for that.

I should copy and paste this as a template for anyone who posts asking if what is basically a massive iPod touch is good enough as a full laptop replacement.

Disclaimer to cover the last sentence. I think the iPad is the best thing Apple produces BUT it's not a full OS laptop.
Apple is not making iPad Pro a laptop. It's a tablet. iOS is not powerful (enough) now, but will be in the future.
 
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here we go....

not a good tablet..aspect ratio 3h battery life
not ultimate laptop like Microsoft said
it;s just a surface pro 4 with dGPU
 
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seems that the tablet mode from Surface book it is lasting around 2.5h normal usage and not even 3h
seems while using windows if you have a crash you no longer had the hinge mechanism working..because is software related too...so you can't attach or detached the screen
seems that are bugs that the screen is auto detached himself...but in later on if it's only software bug it will be fixed
 
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Well, Windows 10 is a vast improvement over 8, but yeah, I'm not a fan of it either. But according to Microsoft, it's still 50% faster than the lowest model 13" Macbook Pro... lmao
The internet and tech reviewers said that statement is true only in 2 cases :
1 50% faster than non-retina macbook pro 13"
2 50% faster on apps that fully take advantage of the BTO surface with dGPU on surface book while macbook pro has only iGPU
 
The internet and tech reviewers said that statement is true only in 2 cases :
1 50% faster than non-retina macbook pro 13"
2 50% faster on apps that fully take advantage of the BTO surface with dGPU on surface book while macbook pro has only iGPU

Yeah, I read those articles. Pretty ****** marketing from Microsoft. That's what happens when you appeal to the Windows fanboys. They get downright aggressive and rude, espcially on reddit. Those guys are freaks.
 

i think that say a lot and let's not forget that this macbook pro and build is from at least 3 years old(only the internals and force touch are upgraded)...and microsoft came up with this
When you only own an Apple device is hard to tell but when you have different manufacture you realise the ADN from Apple to put heart and precision and brain when designing and build their devices
 
surface pro 4 while hard usage it drain more battery than the adapter is charging....
 
The writing is on the wall now IBM is moving to Apple products. IBM is finding a hell of a lot less problems and IT staff required.

A prominent company like IBM kicking Windows out the door and switching to Apple OS X/iOS is huge. I think them doing so sends a message out to the corporate world and businesses that have had a long history having to deal with the hassles of Windows based products that they too should listen to their intuition and finally make the switch.
 
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My opinion as someone who has bought a Surface Pro in the past and really enjoys the iPad is that if you don't need a "main computer" you should go with the iPad and not the Surface. If you already have a primary desktop or laptop, the iPad offers a much better mobile experience overall and you won't miss the inability to do things you can already do on those other workstations. On the other hand the nagging problems of a full mouse/keyboard OS on a device you intend to primarily use as a mobile tablet become really tiresome really quickly. Even something as simple as rotating the screen orientation or booting from sleep is slower and more annoying on a Surface.

I also have a feeling the Pencil will be better than the Surface stylus, which didn't impress me even on the Pro 4.
 
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"Regarding the Apple Pencil, Speirs said that it was “extremely impressive” and the “best iPad stylus” he has ever used with near-perfect palm rejection. He noted that there was no perceptible lag and that it offered a direct drawing a writing experience – huge for animation and note taking. Speirs said the Pencil was “weighty but not heavy” and very balanced, much like a quality pen."
so 1 accessory is best of the best
 
Windows is the clumsiest, most gormless, most thoughtless, OS I could imagine. I have to use it every other day, and it is the least intuitive thing I ever could imagine. It's so awful that I have to cuss the screen just to relieve the frustration or inability when trying to get anywhere and do anything on Windows.

It is a retarded OS. Who uses that unless they HAVE to?

Therefore... the iPad Pro is the way to go.

I use both osx and windows 8.1 and find them both pretty easy to work with. I prefer the windowing and file tree in Windows , but mostly the os's are doing the same things, slightly differently
 
...and the people saying the pencil is better than the Surface stylus have obviously never used a Surface.

The pencil may prove to be better--but I have no real evidence yet. Just apple hack reviewers making squiggles and asserting the pencil is the greatest thing evah. Looking for more believable reviews and personal hands on testing. The surface pen is pretty good, imo
 
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sorry but there are people who already said the pencil is the best and the smart keyboard has to be better in years to come
so the pencil seems perfect while the keyboard is nice to have but not as perfect as maybe other
 
Have a Surface pro 3, which I like. It wasn't very useful with Win 8, but Win 10 changed its usability overnight. I was considering upgrading to the SP4, but I couldn't really find enough improvements ti justify the expense, so I did the next best thing and ordered the new keyboard. In my opinion, that was a night and day improvement. I will likely buy an SP5, next year.

But I did a heck of a lot of soul-searching, as I'm in the middle of a Mac refresh. Ultimately, it was the family's reliance upon the Apple ecosystem that kept me on Macs. So, the woman and I got some open-box MacBooks (saved a bundle) and I got a ew 5k iMac. Pretty exciting, as we normally stagger upgrades, but the woman's MBA died at the same time I was slated to update my iMac.

Anyhow, I did a lot of testing and soul-searching. The woman even played with a Surface 3 (not the pro) for a couple weeks. We both agreed that it was close, but we're too tied up in iTunes/iPhoto/ATVs/iPhones/etc. for new.

If Apple doesn't have a hybrid device in 2-3 years, we'll probably wind up migrating.
 
I don't understand how Apple can market iOS as a pro OS? For example, I wanted to make a video on my iPad Air 2. I wanted to use some of NASA's space imagery and the total file size of was around 4.3gb. How do I download the .zip files containing these images on the iPad? Safari doesn't have a download manager. Any download managers from the App Store will pause download after 10min in the background (FYI, the download was estimated to take 3-4 hrs). In the end, I just gave up.
Eventually, I downloaded to my real PC (rMBP) and used iTunes to transfer the image files to iPad (which was a headache in itself). Also had to do the same with music.

Once I had done all that and made the video (which was a good experience I admit) getting it YouTube was a headache too. I had to transfer of my iPad to Mac and then upload.

The Surface Pro 4 could handle all of this independently which makes it very appealing.
 
Agree with the file management/transfer issue stated above but a mac would be even more suitable. The only thing the Surface does well is note taking for students, using the camera to capture the whiteboard and anotatimg over it, and applications such as CAD that takes advantage of stylus input. Turns out the stylus is the differentiator factor, not that its a laptop replacement.
 
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While Windows Enthusiasts like to speak of the Surface Pen as an innovative feature, it's really just a flaw that Surface requires a stylus to functionally use it, due to the fact that legacy Windows software isn't multitouch and most people don't want to sharpen their finger down into a pencil tip shape in order to select targets designed for a mouse pointer. It's not something you can use; it's something you have to use.

so, if in the next ios we will get file management and user accounts capabilities...im more than pleased

As a tablet, the Surface Book only lasted for 2.5 hours, she noted, compared to 10 hours for an iPad or MacBook Pro. The more tablet-like Surface Pro 4 "lasted just shy of six hours in tablet mode." So Surface Book is much worse as a tablet than Surface Pro, which was already not competitive as a iPad alternative. How much praise can be bestowed upon this clown-show of tone deaf consumer product engineering?

Apple's introduction video consistency portrays iPad Pro as a large iPad, noting only momentarily that its Apple Pencil can be used to draw with precision on the screen. Nothing in the user interface is based around Apple Pencil, and there's no trappings of Macintosh mouse legacy scurrying around expectant of a non-finger stylus touchdown event. Instead, it begins by emphasizing that iPad Pro is firmly centered around multitouch.
 
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why? this is a ipad vs surface topic

i wanted for those who intend and they are used with macbook for years or with ipad for years of usage to know what are the drawbacks of surface and test them in store first
 
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Windows is the clumsiest, most gormless, most thoughtless, OS I could imagine. I have to use it every other day, and it is the least intuitive thing I ever could imagine. It's so awful that I have to cuss the screen just to relieve the frustration or inability when trying to get anywhere and do anything on Windows.

It is a retarded OS. Who uses that unless they HAVE to?

Therefore... the iPad Pro is the way to go.

I use Windows daily and don't have the same problems. Maybe you need some lessons in how to use it?
 
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