I think the Surface is a mess due to how Microsoft handles Windows, not the concept. Apple mocked keyboards for the iPad, until they didn't. They mocked the stylus, until they didn't. They mocked the mouse on a tablet, until they didn't. And at some point we'll get powerful multitasking. It is inevitable; every iPadOS release for the past 4 years gets us one (or two) steps closer. I think we all just want the inevitable to happen a little faster.Which is why the iPad is a different computer for different usage scenarios.
You pays your money and you makes your choice (or buy both).
If you desperately need a hybrid device , Microsoft makes a Surface Pro.
Geeks need to remember they are only a tiny part of the market, and that for normal users (and this includes other types of ”Pros” like lawyers, doctors, pilots, etc.) iPad, with its simplified interface, is a dream come true.
The key words in Cook's statement are "for very many people." He was not speaking in absolute terms.Tim Cook in an interview in The Telegraph back in 2015 when asked about the iPad Pro which just came out back then:
He further stated you won't need anything else:
Sounds to me they're seeing it as a replacement. Unless of course Tim Cook doesn't speak for Apple. 🤷♂️
There's also no technical reason that both macOS and iPadOS couldn't support touch and pencil, regardless of if a keyboard and mouse are attached or not. Supply both options, and let the users use what they prefer in which situations. I am currently using my MBP sitting on my lap, and can easily reach out and touch my screen, but some hoity toity **** high up in Apple has decided that I shouldn't be able to use the screen w touch or pencil, because it's just "wrong"? Seriously? Why should they even care what I'd prefer, just make it available and let me choose. I know friends who have Windows laptops w touch screens and they love it. They love the ability to control w both keyboard/touchpad, and touch screen.Sure, why not. If they can build a 2-1 device or detachable screen, why not.
Apple could do the same thing the other way around. This has been discussed in several threads before, so let me quickly summarize it.
1) No one wants a 1:1 port of macOS on the iPad.
2) Underlying mechanisms are hidden from the user for both iPadOS and macOS, what matters is UI. You can already run iOS apps in macOS.
3) Keyboard/Mouse already work for iPad apps.
4) Let's call it appleOS for iPad, when docked (to monitor, docking station with Keyboard/mouse attached or a magic keyboard) it runs in "computer mode". When undocked it runs in "tablet mode".
The underlying OS would not have to be different at all. All that is needed is a detection of the mode and switch the UI accordingly. If macOS and iPadOS would be open source, this is something that could be done by a group of enthusiasts. Apple can do this, no doubt. This is all in marketing and sales and the reason it's not happening.
A more flexible monitor configuration could be done in a similar fashion. There's absolutely no technical reason iPadOS could not fully support external monitors.
Dude serious? You can't see that an iPad Pro 12.9" and a MacBook Pro 16", "combined" is everything one could ever want? Especially when Universal Control (finally) get's here?I'm glad you pointed that out. I need your help though. The past five minutes I've been trying to touch the MacBook Pro screen and use the pencil on it. It doesn't work... maybe I got a lemon? How are touch gestures and pencil working out for you on a MacBook?
Hey, iMovie is fine for basic edits. But i spent over $2,000 on my maxed out iPad Pro. Luma Fusion is great for editing video. But there are many professionals like myself who are literally begging Apple for an iPad Pro version of Final Cut. We’d gladly pay for it. I know iMovie is enough for most people. But why call it an iPad Pro If you’re not gonna give Professionals what they want & need?There is an iMovie app...
For FCP, they really lack a paying market on iOS. Most companies will invest in the Mac version anyway.
So we’re going from “they never said it” to “many, many people” which is a minority, while in fact he should have said less than 5%. No one is expecting an iPad to perform like a $50k workstation with Xeon Platinum, 1TB+ RAM, much more storage and multiple RTX8000. That’s what I have Dell precision workstations for and for more demanding workloads a GPU cluster. What I expect from an iPad is email, internet, reading for scientific research with the proper tools including annotations, taking notes at the same time, multiple apps open side by side at the same time, the usual import/export workflow and writing papers. Add to that proper video conferencing, etc. These are all workloads which are lightweight when it comes to resources, but window management and lack of connecting external displays with proper support make this unbelievably difficult. Being able to edit a simple video or touch up photos here and there would be a bonus, but not required. I would classify that as simple computer needs.The key words in Cook's statement are "for very many people." He was not speaking in absolute terms.
I've asked the same question "why would you buy one?" to people who had very simple computer needs. They windup either buying iPads or Chromebooks.
Hell, for some people a $99 Android phone constitutes a computer.
Thanks to lockdowns, Apple has had a blowout year selling Macs. There's NO WAY they're thinking iPads should "replace" them.
And that is indeed the problem. They’ve been sitting on their butts for too long. Apple is the new Microsoft. It works for them, no doubt. Their margin is high enough to be very successful financially. They’re losing customers in the professional fields, while gaining casual non demanding users, big thanks to being a ”fashion brand”. no doubt we will get what I described at some point, similar to many others changes they’ve made over the years, “Who needs a stylus?”. The question is, how long is it going to take them. I’m pretty sure we’ll see foldable iPhones before it happens though.Both macOS and iPadOS are being held back, and it's ridiculous. Both are good at what they do best, but could be utterly brilliant.
That depends on what your definition of “pro” is. If pro means making money with a device, then they have lots of pro devices. Then even my Apple Watch is pro, because it will alert me when I have to go to my next meeting. But when it comes to resource hungry workflows, then the only only pro thing Apple has is the Mac Pro and the XDR display. And even the XDR display is on the cheap side of things. Sure, you can edit videos on an iPad or MBP or iMac, but is it pro? I don’t know. when thinking pro and video/video work, something like this comes to mind: https://www.thedubstage.com/.But why call it an iPad Pro If you’re not gonna give Professionals what they want & need?
Because it’s “prosumer”, not professional.Hey, iMovie is fine for basic edits. But i spent over $2,000 on my maxed out iPad Pro. Luma Fusion is great for editing video. But there are many professionals like myself who are literally begging Apple for an iPad Pro version of Final Cut. We’d gladly pay for it. I know iMovie is enough for most people. But why call it an iPad Pro If you’re not gonna give Professionals what they want & need?
I strongly disagree. I am a professional artist and use the iPad Pro exclusively. I gave away my macbook pro years ago. I know many artists & photographers that use the ipad pro now as their main computer. It comes with 16 gigs of ram now. It can handle Final Cut.Because it’s “prosumer”, not professional.
No you guys are using the iPad Pro like a powerful tablet. Same as me.I strongly disagree. I am a professional artist and use the iPad Pro exclusively. I gave away my macbook pro years ago. I know many artists & photographers that use the ipad pro now as their main computer. It comes with 16 gigs of ram now. It can handle Final Cut.
OK, maybe the snark was a little unnecessary. But we only have to look at Microsoft’s Surface Pro to get a sense of what a Frankenstein nightmare macOS on an iPad would be. Apple knows what they're doing, they prioritize user experience above everything else, unlike some other manufacturers.
As posted elsewhere on this thread, Mac and iPad are different devices for different scenarios for different customers.
We techies need to remember that we constitute a mere fraction of the entire market for iPad. The huge majority of regular iPad users (and, yes, there are “professionals“ in this group — medical, legal, etc.) do not want the complication of macOS or any desktop OS. That’s why they bought an iPad in the first place!
I had that as well...I think you can post and then delete it.I posted my comment on the wrong article and can’t seem to delete this at all. If I edit this to zero characters, it errors. No delete option.
Anyway, I’m glad apps have more RAM available now. I wasn’t aware they couldn’t use all available RAM before like they can on macOS.
What’s a computer?The iPad is almost a computer.