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iPhone 11 Lineup Supports Faster Wi-Fi 6, Which Launches Today

Mutepointer said:
Do anyone know why Apple don’t get the certificates months prior to launch?
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ArsTechnica article today

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...ax-wi-fi-6-device-certification-begins-today/

mentions that Apple hasn't bothered with the WiFi Alliance certification for years, due to the associated branding.

Also for the poster wanting a WiFi 6 'commercial' router - only Meraki has 801.11ax devices and they are DRAFT spec, not final. Don't expect final draft 802.11ax commercial devices for awhile.
 
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jasonefmonk said:
Hopefully the early chips for Wi-Fi 6 don’t have the same power efficiency issues that the current 5G modems have.

This is more important for most people over long-term ownership than 5G.
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With 5G mmWave operating at >30 GHz, it's understandable why 5G runs so hot. Hopefully low and mid band 5G is not so power hungry. Same reason why 5 GHz WiFi is fast, but more power hungry than 2.4.

Unless you have more than 20 devices on your home network, you likely won't benefit from WiFi 6 (though it will still be helpful at airports, stadiums, etc). I would replace my router with WiFi 6 when my current one dies, but wouldn't rush to get it. 5G on the other hand, if it's available where you live, could be a reason to upgrade. I'm hoping T-Mobile lights up the low band 5G soon for fast in building speeds.

https://www.cnet.com/news/when-are-...dgets-coming-what-the-manufacturers-say-wifi/

Google WiFi product manager: "In order for users to benefit from Wi-Fi 6's higher speeds, all devices in the home would also need to have an 11AX chip and be no more than 15 feet away from the router, A user also needs to have more than 50 connected devices on their home network (the average Google Wifi user currently has 18) to notice a significant difference between a Wi-Fi 5 and a Wi-Fi 6 router."
 
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jhtrico1850 said:
With 5G mmWave operating at >30 GHz, it's understandable why 5G runs so hot. Hopefully low and mid band 5G is not so power hungry. Same reason why 5 GHz WiFi is fast, but more power hungry than 2.4.

Unless you have more than 20 devices on your home network, you likely won't benefit from WiFi 6 (though it will still be helpful at airports, stadiums, etc). I would replace my router with WiFi 6 when my current one dies, but wouldn't rush to get it. 5G on the other hand, if it's available where you live, could be a reason to upgrade. I'm hoping T-Mobile lights up the low band 5G soon for fast in building speeds.

https://www.cnet.com/news/when-are-...dgets-coming-what-the-manufacturers-say-wifi/

Google WiFi product manager: "In order for users to benefit from Wi-Fi 6's higher speeds, all devices in the home would also need to have an 11AX chip and be no more than 15 feet away from the router, A user also needs to have more than 50 connected devices on their home network (the average Google Wifi user currently has 18) to notice a significant difference between a Wi-Fi 5 and a Wi-Fi 6 router."
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Funny how they skipped the better security part...
 
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It concerns me that Apple may have put draft Wi-Fi 6 hardware/software in the new phones. They started designing these phones a long time ago... Smells like a silent update in the manufacturing line if they aren’t totally compatible.

Would suck to have bad Wi-Fi calling and data.
 
DCIFRTHS said:
Funny how they skipped the better security part...
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That's not a property of Wi-Fi 6/802.11ax. WPA3 is a Wi-Fi Alliance spec (with some IETF and 802.11i parts) and can be found on Wi-Fi 5/802.11ac devices today, specifically on iOS 13 and Catalina.

gmanWA said:
Also for the poster wanting a WiFi 6 'commercial' router - only Meraki has 801.11ax devices and they are DRAFT spec, not final. Don't expect final draft 802.11ax commercial devices for awhile.
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The final spec is probably irrelevant at this point. Wi-Fi Alliance is testing and certifying against the ax draft, and the certification is what people care about and design to.
 
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macduke said:
I thought WiFi 6 devices have been available for a year?

I'm in the market right now for a new home wireless network. I had to move my AirPort Extreme downstairs when I finished my studio last year so I could have ethernet straight into my iMac and Xbox One X. But many places upstairs now I only get 5-20% of my 500Mbps speed and some things like my HomeKit garage door opener fall offline from time to time. I also have Ring for my home alarm system and front and back cameras, and I've read that it doesn't play well with mesh WiFi.

So I'm thinking I'll get a router switch to plug into my modem in my downstairs studio, run a line from that to a 2Gbps PowerLine adapter using link aggregation (I have a newer home with good electrical wiring), and then run that to the other end of it's adapter upstairs centrally where I'll put a single (commercial grade?) WiFi 6 router. Then when my contract is up next summer I'll upgrade to 1Gbps home internet. If my internet speed ever goes over 2Gbps (certainly someday), then hopefully by then there will be a faster PowerLine adapter, or I might hire an electrician to fish a 10Gbps Cat 7 line through my walls (which shouldn't be too ridiculous given the layout of my house and the way I designed my studio).

Curious to hear what other people in a similar situation are planning to do?
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Based on your description you don’t need Cat 7 unless you’re planning exceptionally long runs (>50 meters) or distributing a large number of terminal devices. Cat 6a will carry power, the bandwidth you want, and cost nearly half as much depending on your network & installer. Most networking installers I know, including two I work with, will tell you that Cat 7 is really commercial, not residential, even for high/bandwidth applications.

We’re about to install a 10/100/1000 PoE switch with cable runs to 7 rooms, plus a conduit run to an outbuilding for a hardline and an AP. Cat 6a all the way.
 
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macduke said:
I thought WiFi 6 devices have been available for a year?

I'm in the market right now for a new home wireless network. I had to move my AirPort Extreme downstairs when I finished my studio last year so I could have ethernet straight into my iMac and Xbox One X. But many places upstairs now I only get 5-20% of my 500Mbps speed and some things like my HomeKit garage door opener fall offline from time to time. I also have Ring for my home alarm system and front and back cameras, and I've read that it doesn't play well with mesh WiFi.

So I'm thinking I'll get a router switch to plug into my modem in my downstairs studio, run a line from that to a 2Gbps PowerLine adapter using link aggregation (I have a newer home with good electrical wiring), and then run that to the other end of it's adapter upstairs centrally where I'll put a single (commercial grade?) WiFi 6 router. Then when my contract is up next summer I'll upgrade to 1Gbps home internet. If my internet speed ever goes over 2Gbps (certainly someday), then hopefully by then there will be a faster PowerLine adapter, or I might hire an electrician to fish a 10Gbps Cat 7 line through my walls (which shouldn't be too ridiculous given the layout of my house and the way I designed my studio).

Curious to hear what other people in a similar situation are planning to do?
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I have been re-doing the networking in my house. Right now I have duplexed two 2 gig fiber services together for 4 gig throughput and have been replacing the current setup with Cat6A (7 isn't worth the price in my experience unless you've gotta really stretch it). I have a few WiFi 6 devices and they definitely don't beat out hardwire but man is it crazy fast now, I can peak a gig at times and will be curious to see if the new iPhone can beat out those speeds. Haven't had any issues with mesh (AI Mesh) yet. At the farthest point I'd ever care to need access to my WiFi, about 100 feet from my house outside, I still net about 200 mbps. So far so good. I'm using 3 AX11000 routers from ASUS and they've been perfect
 
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zorinlynx said:
I know right? This would be an easy $150+ sell for me and pretty much everyone who's stuck on an N Airport Extreme or Time Capsule.

I'm going to be in the market for an upgrade soon; I want something with as few bells and whistles as possible that can just be a bridged access point.
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$150? For an ax router? lol. Wishful thinking!
 
MoreRumors? said:
I’d rather read the report that the new iPhones updated the WiFi instead of the cameras. Now it is just a matter of time when the new routers come out with the new WiFi.
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The spec of WiFi 6 was already listed in the keynote and even Apple website before this.
 
I just think the news is getting better and better for the 11/Pro. Major improvements in stuff that matters, like power efficiency, camera system, & WiFi spec; leaves out stuff that doesn’t matter, like 5G, memory cards, headphone jacks (yeah, yeah, ref other threads). All in all, it’s a worthy upgrade, not just a placeholder for something else. Really looking forward to getting my “preparing for shipping” email.
 
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WiFi is non existent on my XS. Had a 7plus ( Qualcomm) prior. Day and Night difference. On both Cellular and WiFi.
 
dmylrea said:
Curious what people are doing on their phones that they need such speed on WIFI? I mean, 9.6 Gbps? Seems silly...
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It’s the typical e-p**** competition. Bragging rights for having a wifi that is 1 number higher than your neighbors/friends. And all the youtubers would be hyping it out as if it can magically make your internet faster. Cycle of capitalism and consumerism at its finest.
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egodspeed said:
Porn.
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Faster WiFi != faster actual internet speed.
Unless you’re serving your own 4K porn right from your own internal network server for your house.
 
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konqerror said:
That's not a property of Wi-Fi 6/802.11ax. WPA3 is a Wi-Fi Alliance spec (with some IETF and 802.11i parts) and can be found on Wi-Fi 5/802.11ac devices today, specifically on iOS 13 and Catalina.
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WPA3 is a property Wi-Fi 6 certification.

My post was addressing that the response from google was just addressing speed - not security.

While WPA3 can be implemented on devices that aren’t certified, I personally prefer certification as is offers a higher chance of proper interoperability in the real world.
 
Too bad you can't get an 11 with iOS 12 installed.

Requires iTunes 12.8 or higher. That means no App Store access from desktop. No deal.
At least they kept El Capitan in the loop for older desktops. LOL Windows 7 support still? That's a 2009 OS. They should support Snow Leopard, that was released in 2009.
Hopefully they will release a 12.6.6 iTunes update.
 
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Wait... is anyone's WIFI slow on their current iPhone?

I can run SpeedTest on my iPhone 6S Plus over WIFI and I max-out my 300mbps internet connection.

That's good enough for me! :p

Besides... I don't have a WIFI 6 router... and I probably won't for many years...
 
Michael Scrip said:
Wait... is anyone's WIFI slow on their current iPhone?

I can run SpeedTest on my iPhone 6S Plus over WIFI and I max-out my 300mbps internet connection.

That's good enough for me! :p

Besides... I don't have a WIFI 6 router... and I probably won't for many years...
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Those are good speeds, but Wi-Fi 6 is not just about speed. It's about handling multiple devices more efficiently, maintaining speeds with multiple devices, and better security.
 
DCIFRTHS said:
Those are good speeds, but Wi-Fi 6 is not just about speed. It's about handling multiple devices more efficiently, maintaining speeds with multiple devices, and better security.
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But the headline feature of WIFI 6... and literally the headline of this article... is faster WIFI. :p

Obviously there are other benefits of WIFI 6... but everyone tends to focus on speed.

I guess "faster" is a more buzz-worthy phrase than "more capable"
 
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macduke said:
I thought WiFi 6 devices have been available for a year?

I'm in the market right now for a new home wireless network. I had to move my AirPort Extreme downstairs when I finished my studio last year so I could have ethernet straight into my iMac and Xbox One X. But many places upstairs now I only get 5-20% of my 500Mbps speed and some things like my HomeKit garage door opener fall offline from time to time. I also have Ring for my home alarm system and front and back cameras, and I've read that it doesn't play well with mesh WiFi.

So I'm thinking I'll get a router switch to plug into my modem in my downstairs studio, run a line from that to a 2Gbps PowerLine adapter using link aggregation (I have a newer home with good electrical wiring), and then run that to the other end of it's adapter upstairs centrally where I'll put a single (commercial grade?) WiFi 6 router. Then when my contract is up next summer I'll upgrade to 1Gbps home internet. If my internet speed ever goes over 2Gbps (certainly someday), then hopefully by then there will be a faster PowerLine adapter, or I might hire an electrician to fish a 10Gbps Cat 7 line through my walls (which shouldn't be too ridiculous given the layout of my house and the way I designed my studio).

Curious to hear what other people in a similar situation are planning to do?
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Skip the powerline garbage and use Moca 2.5 if you can’t be bothered to run cat6.
 
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