iPhone 11 iPhone 11/Pro/Max 2.66 GHz, 4 GB RAM - Geekbench 4 >14000, Geekbench 5 >3500

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This just showed up on Geekbench today:

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/14528580

Single-core 5415
Multi-core 11294
iOS 13.1
iPhone12,1 (which would be a 2019 model if legit)
4 GB RAM
6 cores
2.66 GHz
The processor is just called "ARM" but if the true 2019 iPhone SoC, it would be A13.

While that multi-core score doesn't excite, that single-core score would be 12% faster than the fastest single-core score for Apple A12 ever recorded.

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EDIT:

This may represent the LCD-endowed "R" version of the 2019 iPhone, so the 4 GB RAM may just apply to that model. It's possible the other models may have more RAM. See posts #8 and #10 for more details.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2019-iphone12-1-geekbench-4-results-2-66-ghz-soc.2196112/#post-27680120

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2019-iphone12-1-geekbench-4-results-2-66-ghz-soc.2196112/#post-27680155


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Update 2019-09-11

Score for iPhone12,3 D421AP just showed up. I believe this is the iPhone 11 Pro.

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/14601046

5472 / 13769

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That multi-core score is much better.

Only 4 GB RAM. Not 6 GB.

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Also, Geekbench 5 results also available

iPhone12,1 - 1307 / 2720 - https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/124276
iPhone12,3 - 1324 / 3394 - https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/124312

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Not exciting at all. Plus I’d be expecting 6GB on what will likely be a VERY expensive phone
I'm expecting 4 GB on the 2019 iPhones with A13, and 6 GB on the 2019 iPad Pros with A13X.

Maybe they'll throw us a bone and provide 128 GB storage on the 2019 entry level tier of the OLED models to ease the sting of the cost of these phones.
 

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Seems like the generational AXX performance curve seems to be tapering off, so I wouldn’t call this an impressive jump at all, but certainly decent. Perhaps the A13X manages higher clocks?
 

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Seems like the generational AXX performance curve seems to be tapering off, so I wouldn’t call this an impressive jump at all, but certainly decent. Perhaps the A13X manages higher clocks?
If this score is legit, then I'd expect after some more scores come out for the A13 to be around 5400/12600. That's only about 10-15% faster than A12, so not too exciting.

Perhaps they put more into Metal performance this time around? Plus whatever 3D AR co-processors, etc.

As for A13X, I'm not convinced they'd run it at a faster clock speed. However, it'd still score much faster than A13 of course, probably around 20000 multi-core.
 
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Not exciting at all. Plus I’d be expecting 6GB on what will likely be a VERY expensive phone
You’re expecting 6GB over the current 4GB? What are you proposing that the extra 2 GB would be necessary to control/sustain?

Edit: On second thought, it’s possible the new triple lens camera would require various Ram support, assuming Apple keeps the additional Ram specific to the ‘Max Pro’ (Yes, that’s a ridiculous title) models with the triple lens camera.
 
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From this article:

https://9to5mac.com/2019/07/23/iphone-11-models-camera-processor/

"The ‘iPhone 11’ models are known as D42 (iPhone12,3) which will replace the iPhone XS; D43 (iPhone12,5) which will replace the iPhone XS Max; and N104 (iPhone12,1) which will replace the iPhone XR. D42 and D43 will have a 3x OLED Retina display, while N104 will still feature the 2x Liquid Retina display just like the current generation. All three iPhones will feature the same screen resolution as their predecessors."

That means this leak for iPhone12,1 is for the iPhone XIR. The N104 even matches, since the Geekbench leak is labeled N104AP.

So, while XIR is 4 GB RAM, there still remains the possibility that XI Pro and XI Pro Max are 6 GB RAM (although I was guessing 4 GB).

Now we just need a leak for iPhone12,3 and/or iPhone12,5.

P.S. Judging by my screen grab, I was the first person in the world (besides the tester) to see that Geekbench score. Cool. :cool:
 
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From this article:

https://9to5mac.com/2019/07/23/iphone-11-models-camera-processor/

"The ‘iPhone 11’ models are known as D42 (iPhone12,3) which will replace the iPhone XS; D43 (iPhone12,5) which will replace the iPhone XS Max; and N104 (iPhone12,1) which will replace the iPhone XR. D42 and D43 will have a 3x OLED Retina display, while N104 will still feature the 2x Liquid Retina display just like the current generation. All three iPhones will feature the same screen resolution as their predecessors."

That means this leak for iPhone12,1 is for the iPhone XIR. The N104 even matches, since the Geekbench leak is labeled N104AP.

So, while XIR is 4 GB RAM, there still remains the possibility that XI and XI Pro are 6 GB RAM (although I was guessing 4 GB).

Now we just need a leak for iPhone12,3 and/or iPhone12,5.

P.S. Judging by my screen grab, I was the first person in the world (besides the tester) to see that Geekbench score. Cool. :cool:
Wouldn’t they keep SoC parity across all new devices? The difference being other components such as cameras and LCD screens. So I can’t imagine the other benchmarks straying too far from the one above, assuming it’s legit of course.
 

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Wouldn’t they keep SoC parity across all new devices? The difference being other components such as cameras and LCD screens. So I can’t imagine the other benchmarks straying too far from the one above, assuming it’s legit of course.
SoC will be the same, but RAM may be different.

XS and Max are 4 GB, and XR is 3 GB.

If XIR is 4 GB, what will XI Pro and XI Pro Max be? I know some rumours predicted 6 GB.

https://mobile.pconline.com.cn/1286/12865671.html

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I'll be pleasantly surprised if iPhone12,3 and iPhone12,5 are 6 GB RAM. That 128 GB would also be very nice.
 

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SoC will be the same, but RAM may be different.

XS and Max are 4 GB, and XR is 3 GB.

If XIR is 4 GB, what will XI Pro and XI Pro Max be? I know some rumours predicted 6 GB.

https://mobile.pconline.com.cn/1286/12865671.html

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I'll be pleasantly surprised if iPhone12,3 and iPhone12,5 are 6 GB RAM. That 128 GB would also be very nice.
I’m hoping and praying we’ll see either 6GB or 128GB in the base Pro/Max versions. If we get both, a $1099 tag would be even justifiable.

I don’t know why I’m complaining, though. I’m getting one anyway
 

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Posted on MacRumors front page now. :apple: :cool:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/potential-benchmark-for-iphone-xr-successor-shows-4gb-ram-moderate-performance-gains.2196119/#post-27680178

Careful observers will note oddly low figures for the L1 and L2 caches on this A13, but Poole tells us Geekbench has difficulty telling whether the cache values it reads are for the high-performance or high-efficiency cores, particularly on unreleased hardware for which the software hasn't been optimized.

While we can't confirm whether the Geekbench result is legitimate, as results certainly can be faked, all of the data appears reasonable or explainable and Poole tells us "there's nothing obviously wrong with the result."
 
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You’re expecting 6GB over the current 4GB? What are you proposing that the extra 2 GB would be necessary to control/sustain?

Edit: On second thought, it’s possible the new triple lens camera would require various Ram support, assuming Apple keeps the additional Ram specific to the ‘Max Pro’ (Yes, that’s a ridiculous title) models with the triple lens camera.
Certain “Pro” apps can definitely use the extra memory. (It’s cited from time to time the limits to the number of possible layers in Procreate, for example, based on the RAM constraints. With a new tablet-native Photoshop coming, more RAM could definitely be useful there. Not necessary universally, but it could help specific applications.)

Other than that... we don’t know what we don’t know, huh?
 

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Certain “Pro” apps can definitely use the extra memory.
Sure, but in terms of actual ‘core performance’, I’m assuming the triple lens camera for the ‘Pro’ models will actually utilize the Ram efficiently. The big difference being, obviously, Apple doesn’t discuss ram during keynote, so that will have to be a breakdown after the phone is actually tested beyond.
 
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Certain “Pro” apps can definitely use the extra memory. (It’s cited from time to time the limits to the number of possible layers in Procreate, for example, based on the RAM constraints. With a new tablet-native Photoshop coming, more RAM could definitely be useful there. Not necessary universally, but it could help specific applications.)

Other than that... we don’t know what we don’t know, huh?
The pro apps would usually be more appropriate for the iPad Pro.

However, there is the precedent of the iPhone 7 having 2 GB RAM while my iPhone 7 Plus got 3 GB RAM. Why the difference? I suspect because of the dual-lens camera system on the 7 Plus. This was also reflected in the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus. Only the 8 Plus got a dual-lens camera and 3 GB RAM.

The new R with 4 GB RAM would have a dual-lens camera, but the new OLEDs may get 6 GB RAM with triple-lens camera. The app support for 6 GB RAM would just be an added bonus.

However, despite all this, I'm probably not getting a 2019 iPhone anyway, since my 7 Plus with new battery still suits my needs, esp. with its 3 GB RAM and dual-lens camera. It does look good for a 2019 iPad Pro purchase though. 128 GB + 6 GB would last me many years. It'd also be cool to break that psychological 20000 Geekbench 4 barrier...

...just in time for Geekbench 5, which is now in beta testing. :)
 

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Seems like the generational AXX performance curve seems to be tapering off, so I wouldn’t call this an impressive jump at all, but certainly decent. Perhaps the A13X manages higher clocks?
Actually doesn’t look bad at all, if accurate. Similar performance gain as from A11 to A12.

Geekbench single core score: (edited to add clock speed)

iPhone 6S Plus (A9 1.8ghz) - 2414

iPhone 7 Plus (A10 2.3ghz) - 3441

iPhone 8 Plus (A11 2.4ghz) - 4225

iPhone XS Max (A12 2.5ghz) - 4799

iPhone 11 (A13 2.66ghz) - 5415
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The pro apps would usually be more appropriate for the iPad Pro.

However, there is the precedent of the iPhone 7 having 2 GB RAM while my iPhone 7 Plus got 3 GB RAM. Why the difference? I suspect because of the dual-lens camera system on the 7 Plus. This was also reflected in the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus. Only the 8 Plus got a dual-lens camera and 3 GB RAM.

The new R with 4 GB RAM would have a dual-lens camera, but the new OLEDs may get 6 GB RAM with triple-lens camera. The app support for 6 GB RAM would just be an added bonus.

However, despite all this, I'm probably not getting a 2019 iPhone anyway, since my 7 Plus with new battery still suits my needs, esp. with its 3 GB RAM and dual-lens camera. It does look good for a 2019 iPad Pro purchase though. 128 GB + 6 GB would last me many years. It'd also be cool to break that psychological 20000 Geekbench 4 barrier...

...just in time for Geekbench 5, which is now in beta testing. :)
Thanks for reminding me... i spend a lot of time in iPad Pro land :p. HOWEVER, if rumors are true and they name the XS successor as the iPhone Pro.... ;)

Also, if there is such a correlation between ram and camera modules, and the iPad Pro line does indeed get refreshed with the same or similar 3 camera system, well that should solidify the 6gb across the board prediction for iPad Pros ;)
 
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Actually doesn’t look bad at all, if accurate. Similar performance gain as from A11 to A12.

Geekbench single core score:

iPhone 6S Plus (A9) - 2414

iPhone 7 Plus (A10) - 3441

iPhone 8 Plus (A11) - 4225

iPhone XS Max (A12) - 4799

iPhone 11 (A13) - 5415
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Thanks for reminding me... i spend a lot of time in iPad Pro land :p. HOWEVER, if rumors are true and they name the XS successor as the iPhone Pro.... ;)

Also, if there is such a correlation between ram and camera modules, and the iPad Pro line does indeed get refreshed with the same or similar 3 camera system, well that should solidify the 6gb across the board prediction for iPad Pros ;)
Yes, I'm convinced the iPad Pro will get 6 GB across the board. And who knows... maybe an 8 GB model at the top too.

I have a very large Apple gift card burning a hole in my pocket for that 128 GB 6 GB iPad Pro 11". :)
 
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I'm guessing the rumoured 'Matrix' processor will be where the new A13 will get a lot of its performance boost, they can't keep bumping up the multi-core scores forever, especially if they haven't added any more cores.
 

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Yes, I'm convinced the iPad Pro will get 6 GB across the board. And who knows... maybe an 8 GB model at the top too.

I have a very large Apple gift card burning a hole in my pocket for that 128 GB 6 GB iPad Pro 11". :)
I'm on a similar position, but I'm afraid the next iPP will be released next year, and I can't wait that long, sadly. So I'll probably grab the current iPP with the Beats student promo while I can. I'll wait for the last days of the promo, tho (mid Oct).
 

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I'm guessing the rumoured 'Matrix' processor will be where the new A13 will get a lot of its performance boost, they can't keep bumping up the multi-core scores forever, especially if they haven't added any more cores.
It isn't really the pro apps, but the amount of Pixel required from 3 Lens Camera, will likely not work well on 4GB Memory without some sort of fast compression. And increasing memory is the easier option.

Although the Muti-Core Score doesn't make any sense, so I not entirely convinced this is real.
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Seems like the generational AXX performance curve seems to be tapering off, so I wouldn’t call this an impressive jump at all, but certainly decent. Perhaps the A13X manages higher clocks?
There will always be limitation to how much we can improve. Find me CPU at similar operating power with similar Score. As far as I can tell this is industry leading performance at sub 5W, even better than Intel 10nm+ Icelake.
 

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It's nearly 2020 and, yet, peoples and it hardware websites still using this fake geekbench benchmark as reference! Unbelievable!
 
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It isn't really the pro apps, but the amount of Pixel required from 3 Lens Camera, will likely not work well on 4GB Memory without some sort of fast compression. And increasing memory is the easier option.
I’m glad the cameras are forcing Apple to put reasonable amounts of memory in these devices. Otherwise we would be lagging even more in terms of amount of memory.

Luckily the memory is available to other applications when the camera is not active.

Although the Muti-Core Score doesn't make any sense, so I not entirely convinced this is real.
Multi-core scores on A12 increased significantly after the initial leak.

For example, one of the initial scores available was 4673/10912.

The fastest iPhone XS score is now 4827/11773. That’s an increase of 8% for multi-core.
 
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Well there was a rumour of 6GB of ram for the pros so who knows maybe that report could be true.
 

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Last night, shortly after I posted this thread, Geekbench.com changed their website to default to Geekbench 5, which is brand new and scores completely differently than the Geekbench 4 we've been so used to. Geekbench 4 scores are what this thread is based on, not Geekbench 5 scores.

For reference, here are how my iPhone and iPad Pro score in the new Geekbench 5. Both are running iOS 13.0 dev beta 8 / public beta 7.

iPhone 7 Plus (A10)
Single-Core: 772
Multi-Core: 1403
Metal: 2803

iPad Pro 10.5" (A10X)
Single-Core: 835
Multi-Core: 2287
Metal: 6435
 
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