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As a photographer, I’m really stoked about the enhancements Apple made to the 13 pro. I’m upgrading from the 12 pro so its mostly an iterative change but its nice that the 12 Pro and 12 Pro Max share the same camera system. Can’t wait for Friday!
 
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Not sure why they did just call it an iPhone 12S. A numerical increase should require a larger hardware and visual product difference than the previous model.
I suppose the new colors require a new number. :rolleyes:
My guess is marketing. I think that S after the phone leads some people to believe the product is “lesser” than a regular numbered phone. For consumers who don’t follow this stuff, they probably don’t want an S, they want a NUMBER phone. The number is just better for marketing purposes. Also, Samsung uses stuff like S21 in their branding, which sounds a lot Apple’s S branding. A simple clean number 13 is more Apple-y than 12s.
 
People expect WAY too much from smartphones these days as if we’re still in the early to mid 2010s when upgrades were only significant because there was still a lot of features to include and improve upon, but now we’ve reached a point where you can only improve upon the little things.

Sure, it would be nice if we had no notch and TouchID under the display which are coming but apart from that there is nothing more to be done really. People’s minds are still stuck in that 2010s innovative timeframe and they expect the same unrealistic big changes today when they have already been implemented back then. iPhones and phones in general are ‘boring’ now because there is nothing more to add to them. Save for the couple of features I pointed out above the ‘innovation’ that everyone is craving is done and I have no idea why they can’t see that.
I mostly agree with this sentiment. I generally think the innovation will be smaller going forward, such as no notch and built in fingerprint reader under the screen. Those are no small feats, but they aren’t exactly world shattering as FaceID and fingerprint reading is already an established technology. What we really need to come to the realization is that phones are now mature technologies that can’t really be improved upon in any meaningful way. They’re essentially screens, speakers, and cameras. You can change how the screen works (folding screens), improve the speaker quality, or add 15 camera lenses. But it is still essentially the same thing.

Anyways, Apple doesn’t expect a lot of people to upgrade from the 12 to the 13. People nowadays are on a 2-3 year replacement cycle. If you get your phone through a carrier (like A LOT of people do) they essentially force you into a nearly 3 year cycle with their monthly payments. These improvements aren’t meant for people who read MacRumors, but for the consumer whose iPhone Xs is getting long in the tooth and is looking for a solid upgrade.
 
From everything I’ve read it‘s a thing that you absolutely can live without, but that once you have it for a while, you won’t want to live without it as it makes everything “feel” snappier on the phone.
Even Safari?? So safari will literally be snappier on iPhone 13 Pro???
 
ProMotion & battery life improvements vs my 12 Pro is all I’m particularly worried about, everything else is just gravy. Both The Verge and the WSJ have highlighted it as a noticeable improvement, and that having got so used to it on my 2017 iPad Pro I wound up with a 2021 11” iPad Pro over the iPad Air, it looks like I’m making good on my Friday night Apple store iUP reservation.

For those asking, its one of those things you rapidly get used to once you have it. Using anything other than an iPad Pro and the step down in scrolling quality (legibility text on web pages, smoothness of swiping between home screens) is instantly apparent. if you’ve never had it, you don’t miss what you never had. if you have had it however….
I had an iPadPro with ProMotion and it took me less than a day to not notice it anymore on my iPad mini, so I am not sure what you are talking about. Are you trying to convince others or yourself on the case for 120 Hz display refresh rate. If you are someone who constantly uses Pencil2 to draw there maybe a case.

What is more interesting is that Pencil support is a possibility on iPhone Pro in the near future, late Steve Jobs eat your words and RIP.
 
I still find it funny how reviewers say the high refresh rate is great for making text readable while scrolling. Maybe it’s just the fact that I’m old, or older than almost all tech reviewers, but are people actually trying to read things while scrolling on screen?

I‘m sure I won’t complain about 120Hz variable refresh on an iPhone when I eventually get one, but I’ve had it since 2018 with my iPad Pro and even with the larger screen don’t see a difference - because I’m not trying to read and scroll at the same time.
I read text while scrolling and 60 Hz is quite fine, it’s more of the resolution than refresh rate while reading text and scrolling with me.
 
ProMotion & battery life improvements vs my 12 Pro is all I’m particularly worried about, everything else is just gravy. Both The Verge and the WSJ have highlighted it as a noticeable improvement, and that having got so used to it on my 2017 iPad Pro I wound up with a 2021 11” iPad Pro over the iPad Air, it looks like I’m making good on my Friday night Apple store iUP reservation.

For those asking, its one of those things you rapidly get used to once you have it. Using anything other than an iPad Pro and the step down in scrolling quality (legibility text on web pages, smoothness of swiping between home screens) is instantly apparent. if you’ve never had it, you don’t miss what you never had. if you have had it however….


I bought into the story and ended up with both an iPad Pro 12.9” and PC with a 3080ti connected to a 120Hz display. For gaming sure it makes a difference. For text in both cases it does not.

For text scrolling you basically get no additional readability. You have to slow it down or stop to actually read text.

Animations might be smoother I couldn’t really tell.

Just go to the Apple store and try an iPad Pro before you buy into this is all i’m saying. It’s not an upgrade worthy feature in and of itself imho.

If you have a 12 pro let them know you want more before you drop $1200 again on these.

In any case the product is really a 12s and they didn’t skip the number 13 either. I guess nobody cares about that anymore.

They pretty much expect people to upgrade on an alternate year cadence now I guess. This is coming from someone who bought every single iPhone except the OG.


Also I want to add that speculation so far is that the A15 bionic consists of exactly the same A14 cores but an extra GPU core only. Frankly these processors are snappy enough and even 50% increase will hardly be noticeable. Still it is supposedly the same CPU core. Same process too.

The 13 pro would be a buy in a heartbeat if I were into videography. There is no question in that case. Outside of actually using it for that purpose it’s hard to recommend an upgrade from a 12 pro.
 
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Wow, the Verge’s night/low-light photography and videography got me really excited. I’ve dreamed of a phone that could take beautiful night shots for years now.
 
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I couldn’t even get past the awful intro song in the WSJ review. Prob the worst iPhone review I’ve ever seen.
 
So, better display, better camera, better battery life, better SoC...
What more can you want from an upgrade?!
This is a rock solid smartphone, while samsung fold its the opposite - a fragile starter smartphone

Phones in pure black colors. If Apple want to experiment and offer their phones in other colors, totally fine, as long as they always also provide a black version. But they don't. Unbelievable.
 
In the next 6 months 5G will become a more significant "upgrade" on T-Mobile, and especially Verizon (not sure where AT&T stands right now), as the mid-band spectrum is rolled out and turned on.

Edit: that said, I agree, I've never felt LTE wasn't enough either...
That will be interesting if becomes widespread and makes a difference. I've got 5G in my neighborhood, but literally on one part of one block a few blocks away from my house. So basically as I walk down that street, there is a one block area where my phone will connect at that very fast 5G speed. So I could stand there and do some significant App updating on the fly I guess. Not sure what I would be doing on my phone that a strong LTE signal wouldn't cover.
 
Or… you’re on an upgrade year and you’re trying to justify spending the money to yourself lol.
It’s actually a very inexpensive upgrade too. They’ve juiced the trade in values really hard. The upgrade is relatively inexpensive and actually a very good deal for someone into videography. Also I can admit the fact that pro and pro max are equal in is a pretty big deal.
 
The 13 Pro reminds me of the iPad Pro 4th Gen. Not quite as bad, but a very incremental upgrade—with the pro motion display being the only standout, unexpected feature. I‘ve upgraded every year since the 5s, but this year breaks that cycle.

Here’s to hoping the 14 Pro Max is a quantum leap forward. 🍻
 
I really want the 13 Pro Max battery…but I go jogging with my phone in my pocket and that has to feel like a brick.

Really hoping the 13 Pro battery is better than 12 Pro…13 Pro is perfect size for me, just need better battery life.
Get compression shorts with a pocket sewn in. You will not feel it at all.
 
I would like blind testing of promotion 120 hz to see how often people can pick it out. Maybe that already exists. But I don’t see blurring or text when I scroll right now.
 
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