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I still don't understand what benefit a thinner design achieves. A two or three day battery would be life changing for almost anyone who bought it...thinner does nothing. I am so so so very confused by Apple's desire to make it thin and then market it as a technological breakthrough. If you make all the internal components so freakishly tiny, use that space for a freaking battery that powers the tiny components!!!!! Ugh!
Honest question: how would it change your life?

For me, I enjoy using my iPhone in nightstand mode as an alarm clock on my nightstand, which means I put it on a charger stand every night. I would expect to do so if the phone had 2-3 day battery life too. Same thing with my Apple Watch Ultra 2. It can last several days on a charge, which I occasionally use while camping. However, most of the time I pop it on the same nightstand charger as my phone. All to say, I don't mind the extra battery life at all. I also don't make use of it much either with my current routine and access to power in many places. I'm also not saying a thinner phone is a must-have for me, but if it's a nice design, it might be compelling.
 
I just know this is going to be “thinnest iPhone ever.. but with the thickest camera bump ever (and highest thickness ratio between the chassis and camera bump)”.

😖

And I ain’t about slim and thin if it’s just going to scream for a huge cover to make the rear level.
That would be the case if the render was accurate. So why would it be? Apple are not going to release the thinnest iPhone ever with a huge camera bump in the exact same way they didn’t release the thinnest iPad ever with a huge camera bump.
 
Make it thicker so increase battery size. I don't know why they don't grasp this easy upgrade.
Apple no doubt grasps that they could add weight, thickness and more battery. It is most Apple users that do not want weight, thickness and more battery. Those users that do want weight, thickness and more battery can easily buy any number of third-party add-on battery packs - - but if Apple bulked up the iPhones to start, that majority of users who do not want fat batteries could not magically remove the bulk..
 
If you have more battery capacity you won’t upgrade as often. It’s a game.

iPhone upgrade cycle is the lifeblood of Apple. Nothing will change that. You will never get more than “all day performance.”
That comment makes no sense. How does Apple building to “all day performance" year after year have anything to do with upgrading? Having all day performance means most buyers simply do not think about battery as an issue. Why would "you have more battery capacity you won’t upgrade as often?"
 
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The 14 Promax purple I own has 80% battery Life. I was talking to my sister about upgrading to 17 an hour ago. I said I would Upgrade after the battery drops to 79 percent, apple care+ then change the battery and give it to my wife. If not 2025 2026 then!
 
IMO stating "Apple intelligence is absolutely worthless. It’s gimmicky and underwhelming" is exactly like saying "8 GB RAM is plenty." They are both statements about today and yesterday that almost assuredly will not be true in the future.

Expect AI to become a more and more important part of computing as time goes on. And do not be surprised if AI is like an iceberg, where the part you see is not what is most important.
Hopefully, the part of the AI iceberg that we don’t see won’t end up sinking us. I guess I’ve watched too many films where AI ends up messing up our lives or even destroying them.
 
You recognize that the thinness of an iPhone 17 Air won't necessarily mean a hit to battery life because it will be "equipped with a 6.6-inch display, which would make the device physically larger than the iPhone 14 Pro," thus allowing more space for a larger battery, yet at the same time you fail to recognize that the larger size of an iPhone 17 Air (with its larger battery) will negate some of the benefits of its thinner design, but still think we'll see a "remarkable improvement" in lightness.

Yes that’s right. It will not be more pocketable. It would be nice if it came in two sizes as a new iPhone line similar to the iPad Air. I’d like to see 5.8 and 6.6 inches but I doubt Apple will ever make a phone smaller than 6.1 inches ever again. The base iPhone 17 can come in one size differentiated by colors rather than by screen size similar to the iMac. Whether Mini or Plus, other sizes seem to have underperformed in the base line.
 
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That comment makes no sense. How does Apple building to “all day performance" year after year have anything to do with upgrading? Having all day performance means most buyers simply do not think about battery as an issue. Why would "you have more battery capacity you won’t upgrade as often?"

Surely you can comprehend a little better than that.

It’s not that “all day performance” gets people to upgrade, it’s that this false ceiling that never seems to get any better, means people are always quickly getting to a point where their battery is no longer viable after 1-2 years… and upgrading for: surprise, surprise… a cell with even smaller mAh year after year.

It’s a perpetual cycle. And it is the MAIN reason people upgrade their phone.

Most buyers absolutely think of battery as an issue. We have articles up on this enthusiast website what seems like every month about how to save battery.
 
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Only thing not happy with the upcoming iPhone Air/Slim is the single lens/camera. Don't think I can switch to a single lens. It should have at least an ultra wide lens. The upcoming S25 edge is going to have two cameras. Other than this, it should make a very good iPhone.
 
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That would be the case if the render was accurate. So why would it be? Apple are not going to release the thinnest iPhone ever with a huge camera bump in the exact same way they didn’t release the thinnest iPad ever with a huge camera bump.
Let's hope so.
 
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The 14 Promax purple I own has 80% battery Life. I was talking to my sister about upgrading to 17 an hour ago. I said I would Upgrade after the battery drops to 79 percent, apple care+ then change the battery and give it to my wife. If not 2025 2026 then!
Good luck about that. My 14 PM was stuck at 81% for 6 months (which is technically impossible) so they never replaced the battery under AppleCare+. I strongly suspect the algorithm is somehow “biased” when approaching 80%…
 
Since I never ever use the wide angle on my 13 mini, I wouldn’t mind a single camera setup, but wished it had at least a 2x zoom.
 
Since I never ever use the wide angle on my 13 mini, I wouldn’t mind a single camera setup, but wished it had at least a 2x zoom.
I’d take an even worse camera if they could do one that didn’t need a bump. Although I’d rather they just made the phone thicker (to match the camera without a bump) and filled the space with extra battery. Then we could have a Mini with good battery life. The Air is the exact opposite of what I want :(
 
What I would like to see on an iPhone is a shift back to a rear case that is more metal (titanium) and changing from Qi-based MagSafe to the original Mac-style pin/pad MagSafe. It would add efficiency and reduce heat during charging, while still maintaining the basic wireless charging function. This would also likely allow for a thinner profile without reducing the thickness of the battery as much.
 
It’s a perpetual cycle. And it is the MAIN reason people upgrade their phone.

That's never been the case for me, and many others, I suspect.

I upgrade for better cameras, screen size, features, etc. And my next iPhone it will be for thinness, assuming the iPhone 17 Air has one decent camera at the focal length I want/need.
 
Aren't the main reasons for upgrading "I want the new features" and/or "Latest iOS doesn't run on my phone" as well as "I've now paid for the old phone so I want a new one"
Needs > wants

The people on this site, with their quirks and peculiarities and idiosyncrasies do not make up ANYWHERE CLOSE to the bulk of iPhone customers. Most people upgrade when their needs aren’t being met. That’s bad means battery life and slow performance.
 
That's never been the case for me, and many others, I suspect.

I upgrade for better cameras, screen size, features, etc. And my next iPhone it will be for thinness, assuming the iPhone 17 Air has one decent camera at the focal length I want/need.
You suspect? So you don’t know? Life is not populated with people on-line and on this board.

“SellCell Key Findings:​

  • As of 2023, the global average replacement cycle length for a smartphone is 3.6 years.
  • 40.4% of people upgrade their smartphone every two to three years.
  • The majority of people (75.0%) upgrade their handset due to issues with their battery life shortening over time.“
 
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