iPhone 14 With eSIM Only Will Likely Be Optional Model, Says Analyst

[gregmancuso]

Why would you get to use any backup service besides the one the company set? That's not your property. If you want to make manual backups writing down everything in your phone to a journal, sure, but it shouldn't be easy to retain that info.

But you get it at the end. It makes it harder to move from phone to phone without company foreknowledge. You shouldn't be doing that. Companies have many reasons why they want employees using the issued device, from manufacture contracts to they want to send the message where you rank in importance.

I am not saying companies should operate with strict control over what they do, but for a company that wants to work that way (and I have worked for companies that work that way) eSIM is better for the exact reason you gave.

I “got in the end” the point I called out in my initial post? Ok. Sure. You win.

I guess we are done here.

Edit: typo.

 

[4jasontv]

I got in the end amount I initially called out in my initial post? Ok. Sure. You win.

I guess we are done here.

You said:

The eSIM only makes it harder for a move from phone to phone without company foreknowledge.

That’s exactly the point. Make it harder to move between devices. The employee shouldn’t be changing their phone without permission. Just like they shouldn’t be driving a different company car or customizing their ID badge.

 

[gregmancuso]

You said:

That’s exactly the point. Make it harder to move between devices. The employee shouldn’t be changing their phone without permission. Just like they shouldn’t be driving a different company car or customizing their ID badge.

OK. One more time then i am letting this go.

MY original premise was the eSIM and pSIM play the same exact role with regard to wiping a phone. Your original reply to my post was the eSIM make it easier to wipe. This entire debate was around SIM and wiping a phone.

I am not debating that there are some cases where the physical device makes a difference to an employer. Those cases where it matters already phase this concern today with pSIM. There is an easy solution already in place. The account owner has complete access to the SIM and IMEI assignments. IF an employer needs to ensure a valid handset they simple tick the options with the mobile service provider that limits access to recognized IMEI. Or they can do SIM-IMEI relationships and only allow valid handset-phone number combinations. This blocks two employees from swapping phone numbers for some reason.

The points hold:

1. SIM has nothing to do with data security or wiping a phone as was your premise.
2. eSIM will make SIM swaps more difficult (from my original post and we are agreed)
3. There are already processes in place and available to employers who want to limit access to known or assigned handsets regardless of eEIM or pSIM.

 

[elbert]

Sigh... I wanted my telco to be forced to give me an eSIM.

 

[4jasontv]

The points hold:

1. SIM has nothing to do with data security or wiping a phone as was your premise.
2. eSIM will make SIM swaps more difficult (from my original post and we are agreed)
3. There are already processes in place and available to employers who want to limit access to known or assigned handsets regardless of eEIM or pSIM.

1. You can't wipe every phone the sim has ever been in, so data security is relevant.
2. Yes, and that's how eSIM resolves the issue in point 1.
3. There may be processes in place but none of them will be as effective as not letting people swap sims.