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No consistency in design language. The pro, air, and “standard” look wildly different. Especially Air and base models.
One of the things Apple has been known for is creating iconic designs and that are instantly recognizable. With this much variation, it looks fragmented.
 
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I've see people say it'll have an action button from ages ago? And no one ever questioned if it would have MagSafe or not? It's only some magnets stuck inside the back shell anyway.
 
Interested to see the Air in the flesh, looks like the dynamic island sensors are reversed in this model, I wonder if that will be true in the actual device and what the reason for the change might be?
 
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I guess I'll just stick to my iPhone 4S. Or at least until Apple makes another iPhone that's as comfortable to hold and doesn't have a camera bump.
 
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I could see myself getting the Air. The only reason I got a Pro model is because of ProMotion. I don't use the cameras enough to warrant the higher price and I really dislike the weight of the Pro models. I have the 15 Pro which is ok but the 16 Pro went back to being fat.
I have the 15 pro too.

It has been one of the worst experiences in a phone I have had in years.

The battery is miserable, barely get through the day. Ive only had it 18 months and the battery is down to 88% and im a low useage user max 3 hours a day. All background tasks and locations turned off. I also cant use the always on display as it sucks the power out of it.

I tried limiting the battery to 90% but that means charginig it twice a day.

It is mad, for it to work properly you have to turn off key functions to make it useable.

It is hot a lot. So randomly il reach into my pocket and its hot and im pretty fastidious physically exiting apps so they arent hogging resources.

Just a really disappointing experience. Came from an 11 pro and I would get a day and a half out of that easily and after 4 years it still had 93% battery.

Feels to me like the first 3nm wasnt a great implementation.

These newer 17 models are also so boring and ugly. Really doesnt make me want to pony up another £1100. If it wasnt for the integration with other apple apps I would really be considering other options.

Just hope software updates help down the line but very doubtful.
 
I'm going to wait for the 18 pros. I can see them bringing the design language of the 17 Air to the Pro lineup in 2026. Rumors indicate they will be using next gen battery tech in the air (Silicon-Carbon batteries), and it would make sense for them to bring that tech to the Pro versions in the future, allowing for a thinner and lighter design.
 
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I have the 15 pro too.

It has been one of the worst experiences in a phone I have had in years.

The battery is miserable, barely get through the day. Ive only had it 18 months and the battery is down to 88% and im a low useage user max 3 hours a day. All background tasks and locations turned off. I also cant use the always on display as it sucks the power out of it.

I tried limiting the battery to 90% but that means charginig it twice a day.

It is mad, for it to work properly you have to turn off key functions to make it useable.

It is hot a lot. So randomly il reach into my pocket and its hot and im pretty fastidious physically exiting apps so they arent hogging resources.

Just a really disappointing experience. Came from an 11 pro and I would get a day and a half out of that easily and after 4 years it still had 93% battery.

Feels to me like the first 3nm wasnt a great implementation.

These newer 17 models are also so boring and ugly. Really doesnt make me want to pony up another £1100. If it wasnt for the integration with other apple apps I would really be considering other options.

Just hope software updates help down the line but very doubtful.
It sounds like something is wrong with your computer phone. Did you contact Apple to have them check it out? I have a 16 Pro but family members with the 15 Pro don’t have anything like that happening.
 
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I still see
No consistency in design language. The pro, air, and “standard” look wildly different. Especially Air and base models.
One of the things Apple has been known for is creating iconic designs and that are instantly recognizable. With this much variation, it looks fragmented.
It does seem weird. Maybe they will simplify the lineup next year when the new tech from SE (modem) and Air (battery?) are ready for prime time?
 
if they cancelled the larger version of this for fear of bendgate, it must still be pretty flimsy and certainly not a pocket phone.
 
I've been seeing "leaked photos" for years. I think a company like Apple would be able to keep things secret until the announcement day if they really want to.
 
Looks like the screen size will be between the 17 and 17 Pro Max (or 17 Ultra or 17 BigBulge...)
I would love that. Plus less weight, plus Pro Motion and I'm in. Possibly.
 
I've been seeing "leaked photos" for years. I think a company like Apple would be able to keep things secret until the announcement day if they really want to.
Two observations:

  1. When it comes to dummies, genuine schematics and renders from some factory floor, etc., it's a feature, not a bug. We're long past the days when Apple could make a splash with designs like the iPhone 4 or 5, as premium phones just look like… rounded slabs of metal and glass, with Apple's offerings just featuring especially nice, smoothed out roundrects, finishes, etc., and – sad and unexciting as it may be for many here – there's nothing inherently wrong with that, it's a matter of perspective.

    Dummies don't really provide much insight into the latter, but they do inform case manufacturers, both big-brand and off-brand ones, on the specs they need to match, and I believe Apple doesn't really want to go after those, as they'd be killing one of their golden geese. It's nigh impossible to let them have their way and keep the general shapes of next year's iPhones a secret.

  2. I can see from your profile that you've joined in 2012, but a “you must be new here” joke would still be apropos. 😂

    Now, in all seriousness and with all due respect, you've got it the other way around… Old, small, scruffy Apple (not at all even the one you knew from all the way back in 2012, assuming that's when you started following Apple's inner workings in earnest – I've been on MR and using iPods since 2004 and using Macs since late 2003, for reference, so we're talking mid-Jobs'-second-tenure, semi-ancient Apple history here) could indeed keep these things a secret and maybe even considerably allow some very select case manufacturers (even for MacBooks/PowerBooks, before the iPod was a thing, but also for iPods, of course) to have access to dummies under NDA and be able to police compliance therewith.

    As for current, gigantic Apple, manufacturing phones at the scale they've been doing it for almost two decades? Not in a million years… Most likely, these dummies were made from leaked case and button (if not full) schematics, maybe even reverse-engineered from OEM Apple case manufacturers (cases being a product which, I'm also guessing, they also manufacture in the millions), and as they're just some chunks of roughly CNC'ed metal, it might be hard for Apple to know exactly where they leaked from or for them to actually sue those who made them.
So… answering your musings, the TL;DR is: they likely don't even want to, but they also definitely couldn't even if they did want to. They will go after actual device leakers, though (remember that infamous iPhone 4 prototype that was lost and then stolen? That was not the last time Apple went after prototype leakers…), as they do like to keep their exact colourways and finishes a bit of an open mystery, and obviously want to keep their internal pre-release iOS builds, field testing software and PVT (but also DVT and EVT) prototype specs, well, internal.

Every single year there are descriptions floating around, but as for actual, colour-calibrated photos and videos of the real phones (the ancient equivalent of which, way back when during the potato-camera years, being the quintessential, jokingly called “elevator shot”)…? Have you seen those, other than those last-minute leaks when they are actually filtering out to the distribution chain? There's indeed the veeery occasional and momentous device leak weeks or months in advance, and sometimes even the odd part a year or two even before the device it belongs to is confirmed in the first place, but nope, on all the other “boring years” it's mostly just renders (made by third parties, from descriptions, case and/or dummy leaks, etc.).
 
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