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This graph is a pretty consistent indication of the Plus sales since its debut two years ago. The source here is a paid substack called CIRP that follows iPhone sales.

Also, Apple isn't going to drop an iPhone from their lineup without good reasons. The Plus has been underperforming since its debut. Just like the iPhone mini.

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Past sales are only evidence of how Apple positioned the Plus, not proof that the concept itself was doomed. The Plus was hobbled from day one: no ProMotion, slower chips, weaker cameras. Those omissions weren’t market accidents, they were deliberate product decisions. If you handicap a horse and then point to its losing streak as proof it should be put down, you’re ignoring who tied the weights to its legs.

This year’s cancellation can’t be explained by “it sold badly for three years,” because the sales were engineered to be weak. Apple knew the Plus would underperform precisely because they never let it compete head-to-head with the Pro. The kill isn’t a reaction to sales, it’s the conclusion of a strategy: keep it around just long enough to funnel buyers upward, then retire it before it becomes unavoidable to give it the very upgrades that would threaten the Pro.

So when someone cites past sales as justification, they’re mistaking symptom for cause. The Plus didn’t die because people didn’t want a big, cheaper iPhone. It died because Apple never allowed it to be the phone people actually wanted.
 
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Past sales are only evidence of how Apple positioned the Plus, not proof that the concept itself was doomed. The Plus was hobbled from day one: no ProMotion, slower chips, weaker cameras. Those omissions weren’t market accidents, they were deliberate product decisions. If you handicap a horse and then point to its losing streak as proof it should be put down, you’re ignoring who tied the weights to its legs.

This year’s cancellation can’t be explained by “it sold badly for three years,” because the sales were engineered to be weak. Apple knew the Plus would underperform precisely because they never let it compete head-to-head with the Pro. The kill isn’t a reaction to sales, it’s the conclusion of a strategy: keep it around just long enough to funnel buyers upward, then retire it before it becomes unavoidable to give it the very upgrades that would threaten the Pro.

So when someone cites past sales as justification, they’re mistaking symptom for cause. The Plus didn’t die because people didn’t want a big, cheaper iPhone. It died because Apple never allowed it to be the phone people actually wanted.
This makes zero sense. You are saying the Plus failed because it lacked the specs of a Pro Max. Which already exists by the way.

The Plus was made with the intention to sell in large numbers. Apple makes iPhones with every intention of selling them. The Plus did not sell as well as they had hoped. So it’s gone. End of story.
 
The Air is the Plus. It got a redesign and they call it something different. It’s still the large-screen option for those who don’t want the Pro. Call it whatever you want.
 
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The Air is the Plus. It got a redesign and they call it something different. It’s still the large-screen option for those who don’t want the Pro. Call it whatever you want.
^^^ Yes, this.

I had the 14+ and loved the screen real estate and the longest battery life.

But it lacked some of the Pro stuff (AOD, mmW) so I got the 16 Pro.

Now that the 17 Air is out - I am actually going back to the "17+ / Air" with the thinness I want.
 
The Air is the Plus. It got a redesign and they call it something different. It’s still the large-screen option for those who don’t want the Pro. Call it whatever you want.
I wouldn't say that. The Plus has two cameras, stereo speakers, a bigger screen, most likely a significanly superior battery life, and for all of us (we are many!) who travel and don't live in the U.S., the lack of a physical SIM card slot is a no-go!
 
I wouldn't say that. The Plus has two cameras, stereo speakers, a bigger screen, most likely a significanly superior battery life, and for all of us (we are many!) who travel and don't live in the U.S., the lack of a physical SIM card slot is a no-go!
Ah you are correct - I forgot about the 14+ I had and those features.

But then I never used the dual cameras, stereo speakers, and battery life was moot because I charged every night.

17 Air will be perfect because I don't use/need those features (multi lenses, stereo speakers, etc).

I do need the 17 Air AOD which was my primary reason for moving away from the 14+.

Have regretted that move and now happy to see the Air can be my "return" to 14+ days....

My iPhone is a tertiary device - only used for: apps, email, text, and phone calls.
And I really hate using the iPhone for computer stuff - it's maddening with the small text/fonts.
For 90% of my daily use, I use my 14" M2 Macbook Air and Studio Mac w/ dual 27" displays.

Guess my iPhone use has been very light.
 
Ah you are correct - I forgot about the 14+ I had and those features.

But then I never used the dual cameras, stereo speakers, and battery life was moot because I charged every night.

17 Air will be perfect because I don't use/need those features (multi lenses, stereo speakers, etc).

I do need the 17 Air AOD which was my primary reason for moving away from the 14+.

Have regretted that move and now happy to see the Air can be my "return" to 14+ days....

My iPhone is a tertiary device - only used for: apps, email, text, and phone calls.
And I really hate using the iPhone for computer stuff - it's maddening with the small text/fonts.
For 90% of my daily use, I use my 14" M2 Macbook Air and Studio Mac w/ dual 27" displays.

Guess my iPhone use has been very light.
I find it highly unlikely that you never used the stereo speakers. They play a hugely important role in media playback, alerts, and voice/video calls.

Perhaps you yourself can live with a single speaker. But just about everyone takes advantage of the stereo speakers. They just might not realize it, given we'd had them on the iPhone for 9 years and counting.

I truly think a lot of consumers will not even know the Air has a single speaker until they bring it home and start using it. I bet some people will return it after realizing this.
 
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I find it highly unlikely that you never used the stereo speakers. They play a hugely important role in media playback, alerts, and voice/video calls.

Perhaps you yourself can live with a single speaker. But just about everyone takes advantage of the stereo speakers. They just might not realize it, given we'd had them on the iPhone for 9 years and counting.

I truly think a lot of consumers will not even realize the Air has a single speaker until they bring it home and start using it. I bet some people will return it after realizing this.
You might be right - people might find it limiting with a mono speaker.

But I only use the phone for speaker phone calls and alerts.

Never need to playback video, do social media, or play games since I find that silly as I don't live on my phone. My phone gets about 10% of my time per day.

I use a Macbook with stereo speakers or at home and work I use a Studio Mac with DAC sound system when I stream movies.
 
The Plus has two cameras
The 6 Plus didn’t. Redesigns frequently involve the changing of features. And not always additions.

Plus doesn’t literally translate to “two-camera’d phone with a SIM tray and stereo speakers,” lol. The most recent Plus just had those characteristics. Plus means “bigger screen.”
 
This makes zero sense. You are saying the Plus failed because it lacked the specs of a Pro Max. Which already exists by the way.

The Plus was made with the intention to sell in large numbers. Apple makes iPhones with every intention of selling them. The Plus did not sell as well as they had hoped. So it’s gone. End of story.
If you can't get my point, then stop replying.
 
I think the mini was just a niche device and did seem to compete with the SE models. The 16e is selling quite well, but does seem too similar to the main models to me, especially for the price. You seem to be contradicting yourself. If the prices are too high on the lower models, people will just end up buying the pro models specifically for the tech specs.

Most people have their minds made up to be either android or apple customers at this point. cheap android phones with 3 cameras don't compete at all with the latest iphone pro models.
I think the new folding phones this year have converted quite a few people to android - just to have something that feels new. Several friends of mine now have those samsung folds, and one has the flip. Very tempted myself tbh. Hoping apple offer one in the next year.
 
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The 6 Plus didn’t. Redesigns frequently involve the changing of features. And not always additions.

Plus doesn’t literally translate to “two-camera’d phone with a SIM tray and stereo speakers,” lol. The most recent Plus just had those characteristics. Plus means “bigger screen.”
"LOL"... Why do people keep bringing up 10+ y/o apple products into every discussion... :rolleyes: Obviously I was talking about the 14, 15 and 16 Plus.
 
I find it highly unlikely that you never used the stereo speakers. They play a hugely important role in media playback, alerts, and voice/video calls.

Perhaps you yourself can live with a single speaker. But just about everyone takes advantage of the stereo speakers. They just might not realize it, given we'd had them on the iPhone for 9 years and counting.

I truly think a lot of consumers will not even know the Air has a single speaker until they bring it home and start using it. I bet some people will return it after realizing this.

Honestly, I reckon the average user wouldn’t even notice. My aunt once asked me when I showed her the iPad 2 and retina iPad 3 side by side “what’s the difference?”

As long as the speakers are loud and clear enough, most folks probably won’t care.

We get it, stereo speakers are hugely important to you. That doesn’t mean everyone values the feature just as much (or even notices it at all).
 
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As long as the speakers are loud and clear enough, most folks probably won’t care.
I completely disagree. We’ve had stereo speakers on the iPhone for nine years. We take it for granted at this point. Plenty of people will notice and care.
 
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