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iPhone 17: Newer 3nm Technology Expected for A19 and A19 Pro Chips
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Awesome. Now at WWDC, I want to see a slide showing it running cooler at the same performance. I really want a new iPhone at this point but still am not convinced to give up my 13 Pro, and how hot the new ones run is one reason why.
Process shrink is a good time to buy historically. Doesn't come with a big redesign, just refinements and better efficiency.
Process shrink is a good time to buy historically. Doesn't come with a big redesign, just refinements and better efficiency.
You mean infamous ugly Notch?
"Dynamic Island" is just the Apple Marketing dept coming up with a term they hoped would distract from the word NOTCH. They deserve a bonus, as it's still a NOTCH!
Based on the timelines 2 nm wont be ready for Apple sized volume production in 2025. Apple is making a safe bet here.
Nah, the timeline fits. TSMC said N3E was ready for production in 2023 H2, but first showed up in Apple products in 2024. TSMC is saying N2 will be ready for production in 2025 H2 and will show up in Apple products sometime in 2026. Given Apple’s chip design timeline and required volume they need a sure bet, hence N3P.
I saw a friend pull out an iPhone 8 yesterday. No real difference in browsing the net with my 13.
Why would you expect there to be a difference? That’s the least or one of the least demanding tasks you can throw at an iPhone. My retired X is more than adequate for that.
Yes and no. Industry rags have already hinted that TSMC's 2nm will be more expensive per wafer, which for Apple means higher price per SoC which means higher prices for the end products for you and me.
So if Apple decides to go with 3nm that means they are making a decision on keeping costs down.
Though TSMC has stated that they will have their 2nm process online in 2025, the cost per SoC may be so high that Apple only uses it for their higher priced products, such as those which use a "Pro", "Max", or "Ultra" designated SoC.
The point is that his old phone worked just fine for many tasks. Other than the AI push, I don’t see much need for better hardware. The rest of the features like Dynamic Island, camera button, etc are marketing in search of a problem.
Such as taking away the useful extra screen space each side of it?
Prob way too early to equate a performance increase over the existing iPhone 16 Pro Max. Isn’t it typically a nominal increase only at like +1%?
Even the most positive Apply guy on Podcasts has been saying the same thing for a few generations now, of the Phones and Tablets.
Apple needs the software to take advantage of the hardware.
The hardware is fast, super fast, but making it faster is just meaningless to a normal consumer as there isn't the software to take advantage of it.
On the PC Side, for many it's always been "Gaming" that has pushed the demands for faster and faster hardware, but..
That's totally to Steve Jobs not being interesting in Gaming (and yes, that's who's fault it is 100%) Apple don't have any space in that sector.
Will this change in time? Yes, 100% could do, but it's all down to Apple.
Apple needs the software to take advantage of the hardware.
The hardware is fast, super fast, but making it faster is just meaningless to a normal consumer as there isn't the software to take advantage of it.
On the PC Side, for many it's always been "Gaming" that has pushed the demands for faster and faster hardware, but..
That's totally to Steve Jobs not being interesting in Gaming (and yes, that's who's fault it is 100%) Apple don't have any space in that sector.
Will this change in time? Yes, 100% could do, but it's all down to Apple.
I upgraded from a 13 Pro this year - my daughter's X was on its last legs & she couldn't afford a new phone - so I was "ordered" to upgrade. The upgrade was modest, although the night camera mode is impressive - we did a Lantern Procession with the grandkids and the photos from the 16 Pro were much better than the 13 Pro, but other than that, it was just refinements.
I'm guessing the 17 will be the same, anybody with a 14 or newer probably won't get much benefit - unless they want/need the Apple Intelligence stuff (not available here, so it is moot with my 16 Pro at the moment). I'll probably look again, when the 20 comes around...
I'm guessing the 17 will be the same, anybody with a 14 or newer probably won't get much benefit - unless they want/need the Apple Intelligence stuff (not available here, so it is moot with my 16 Pro at the moment). I'll probably look again, when the 20 comes around...
Not true. N3E is less dense, but it's better in perf/efficency. You can see it in reality. Also it really doesn't matter for end consumer if it's some % less denser. At the end N3B was failed node and not backwards compatible with any other N3 node.
If TSMC don't failed with 2nm yields... yes... otherwise N3X is possibility.
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All this conjecture goes up in smoke if China takes over Taiwan. TSMC is required to make their latest and greatest chips only at the Taiwan foundries.