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There is zero chance the savings will be passed on to the consumer. Everyone expects to pay more and they will and prices will never go down even if ram becomes cheap and plentiful.

Thats late stage capitalism folks
 
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Next “Display-Gate” incoming…

You get what you pay for.

If anyone thinks, the suppliers will deliver the same quality (especially when it comes to long term quality like burn ins etc) for about half the price must be pretty naive.
Capitalism for dummies, chapter 2 or 3 I guess 😂 🤪
 
One has to wonder what negotiating gun Apple held to the heads of LG and Samung to "motivate" them to lower prices of OLED panels so significantly? They didn't have to, and it's not like there are many makers of OLED panels...

Raise your hand if you think the savings on OLED's will offset the rise in memory prices and Apple will lower the price increase accordingly? Anyone? Hello?
It lets Samsung maintain their obscene pricing for RAM, while keeping a high volume customer (Apple) happy.
 
I'll give Apple the benefit of the doubt here...they could very well have done this and possibly take less profit on iPhones to keep prices stable in order to motivate more sales, more users in the ecosystems, thus more services, more potential devices (watch, iPad, laptops, AirPods, etc).
 
One has to wonder what negotiating gun Apple held to the heads of LG and Samung to "motivate" them to lower prices of OLED panels so significantly? They didn't have to, and it's not like there are many makers of OLED panels...

Raise your hand if you think the savings on OLED's will offset the rise in memory prices and Apple will lower the price increase accordingly? Anyone? Hello?
Due to other companies canceling their OLED orders (most of whom never shipped anywhere near to 200 million screens a year) because they won’t have the RAM they need to release products, Apple says they’ll take up the slack… for a price.
 
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I have no doubt that this story is (mostly) factually true. But it is misleading in a key way:

The South Korean (and Japanese to a lesser extent) display makers have spent several tens of billions of US dollars (equivalent) in the last couple of years making better and cheaper OLED panel technologies. All consumer OLED displays are getting rapidly cheaper for this reason, whether or not they are in control panels, wearables, phones, tablets, monitors, TVs, etc. The majority of the price reduction here isn't Apple's negotiating skill nor purchase capacity; it is greater market forces. A company I work for purchases custom panels by the 10k lot. We purchased in excess of a million panels of different sizes over the last running 12 months. The prices reductions have been a great trend from our perspective. But . . . people need to remember that such trends aren't always in one direction. Displays aren't perhaps as prone to the classic, crazy boom/bust capital cycles of memory and storage, but it is not that far off, either. There is even a name for it specific to the display industry--the Crystal Cycle. The decades-long trend of all these technologies is to become cheaper over time, and I have no doubt the trend line will remain the same when you zoom out. But there are major peaks and valleys along the way. We are also buyers of RAM and storage for the devices we make, and we are definitely struggling because of these same market factors. Lots of people lose good jobs (and thus homes, educational opportunities, and marriages) because of these crazy cycles. Since we don't have the size of an Apple/etc, only our customer service advantage, which some people will indeed pay more for, is keeping us on the right size of the profit/loss line in 2026. Otherwise, I'm sure we would have been one of those companies repeatedly announcing double-digit percentage layoffs every couple of quarters.
I agree that it likely didn’t take much negotiating skill at all. Apple’s got a bucket of cash that they’ve paid for screens that they WILL purchase, recognized the weakened position of the manufacturers as orders for future panels are dropping and probably just went, “C’moooon huh? C’MOOOON!”
 
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Next “Display-Gate” incoming…

You get what you pay for.

If anyone thinks, the suppliers will deliver the same quality (especially when it comes to long term quality like burn ins etc) for about half the price must be pretty naive.
Capitalism for dummies, chapter 2 or 3 I guess 😂 🤪
Oh, they will. The yields are in the contract and if they deliver poor quality panels of a higher percentage than agreed, the contract certainly provides opportunities for Apple to make the situation right by them. 🙂 It’s not like, at the agreed to price, Apple’s not paying for materials+tooling+manufacturing. They will still pull in a nice profit, it’ll just be less than it was previously AND they maintain a good working relationship with a very valuable customer.
 
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This rumored $200-$300 price hike feels like Apple seeding the media with a worst case scenario. Under this rumor, Apple can come in with a $100 price increase and look like the hero. $699 for the iPhone 18e, $899 for the iPhone 18 and $1199 for the iPhone 18 Pro.
 
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This rumored $200-$300 price hike feels like Apple seeding the media with a worst case scenario. Under this rumor, Apple can come in with a $100 price increase and look like the hero. $699 for the iPhone 18e, $899 for the iPhone 18 and $1199 for the iPhone 18 Pro.
Considering the Pixel 11 starts at $900, it's more likely the iPhone 18 will be that price. We'll see next year.
 
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There is zero chance the savings will be passed on to the consumer. Everyone expects to pay more and they will and prices will never go down even if ram becomes cheap and plentiful.

Thats late stage capitalism folks
Prices have gone down in the past. Just look at the MSRP of different iPad generations.
 
Is that 3600 nits across the entire display, continuous, or in HDR mode with only a few pixels lit for a very brief time?

In any case, I agree...even my 17 Pro Max, outdoors in the shade isn't that bright.
Seriously?

My 17 pro max is wonderful to use in basically everything except direct bright sunlight (like in the beach). Even in worst case scenarios it is usable. Maybe it’s because I’m comparing to the iPad mini and MacBook Air screens but I’m really happy with how bright this screen gets (without overheating).
 
So the thing is, humans have these things called pupils. They act similarly to camera apertures. When inside, they dilate to allow in more light. When outside, they constrict to allow in less light. This is why people must squint so hard when they first go outside, until their eyes adapt.

When outside on a sunny day, it is very difficult to see a phone screen. Why? Because the phone screen is so dim compared to everything else, and your tiny eye apertures aren't letting in much light, like a camera stopped down. This makes phone screens look quite dim, even at maximum brightness.

For instance, on a full, sunny, 100,000 lux day, a dark object that reflects only about 10% of light will still have a luminance level of about 3200 nits. So 3600 nits really isn't that bright, given the intended use for such a display technology, with the iPhone being set by default to adjust brightness based on ambient lighting conditions.

Any increase in brightness should therefore be welcomed in mobile display technology.
 
So the thing is, humans have these things called pupils. They act similarly to camera apertures. When inside, they dilate to allow in more light. When outside, they constrict to allow in less light. This is why people must squint so hard when they first go outside, until their eyes adapt.

When outside on a sunny day, it is very difficult to see a phone screen. Why? Because the phone screen is so dim compared to everything else, and your tiny eye apertures aren't letting in much light, like a camera stopped down. This makes phone screens look quite dim, even at maximum brightness.

For instance, on a full, sunny, 100,000 lux day, a dark object that reflects only about 10% of light will still have a luminance level of about 3200 nits. So 3600 nits really isn't that bright, given the intended use for such a display technology, with the iPhone being set by default to adjust brightness based on ambient lighting conditions.

Any increase in brightness should therefore be welcomed in mobile display technology.
That’s not a problem if you never go outside.
 
I’m SURE the savings will be passed on to the consumer. 🙄

By consumer I mean shareholder.
We only assume the cost savings will more than offset the price increases from other component price hikes. Kinda like how people think that ads alone should entitle them to watch Netflix free of charge. It’s lucrative but probably not to that extent.

Oh, and let’s not forget inflation. Apple hasn’t risen iPhone prices in over 5 years?
 
Apple always has high volume orders. If Samsung and LG said no, where would Apple go to get their panels? That's my point -- there was nothing to negotiate with. Plus, with Apple not able to find memory chips, there's going to be lots of OLED panels sitting in warehouses waiting for memory.
Apple committed to a larger stockpile of OLED displays on hand, that may have helped secure a better deal. Im hoping cheaper panels won't mean cheaper quality
 
Wow, Apple now screwing both Samsung and LG on price! I guess that’s what you get for literally offering TEMU versions of your product line..The folks at Apple will be celebrating!
 
One has to wonder what negotiating gun Apple held to the heads of LG and Samung to "motivate" them to lower prices of OLED panels so significantly? They didn't have to, and it's not like there are many makers of OLED panels...

Do you think either would be in good shape if one day Apple was no longer their customer?

That's the extreme scenario but you should get the point. It's in no ones interests to loose business at this scale to any degree. That's the base threat all players function under.

Apple may have decided to strengthen the relationship, with more long term guarantees, bigger orders over longer time period than usual, and in turn there was reciprocation on price and other things to everyones agreement, a win-win outcome.

Raise your hand if you think the savings on OLED's will offset the rise in memory prices and Apple will lower the price increase accordingly? Anyone? Hello?
Hopefully Apple (tentative signals) working really hard to juggle this by find the wiggle room elsewhere while a few heads play at the route table on borrowed time on borrowed money, or at leat they are communicating at some level to the challenges, relatively openly.

I'm sure we'll see a suite of attempts and approaches done to counter-act the Tech Casino, all may not work but at least Apple appear to be motivated. They've done the price increases, which in one way is the easy part, but obviously you do that first, as the market needs time to adjust if it even can. Nothing is risk free.
 
One has to wonder what negotiating gun Apple held to the heads of LG and Samung to "motivate" them to lower prices of OLED panels so significantly? They didn't have to, and it's not like there are many makers of OLED panels...

Well there is BOE Technology in China, which is one of the largest manufacturers of displays [including OLED] and whom Apple have been investing a lot of time and money getting them to a similar quality level to LG and Samsung. Apple is also likely working with other suppliers, as well, since supply chain diversification is important to them.

And LG and Samsung do not benefit from having their OLED FALs lying idle should Apple significantly reduce orders in favor of other suppliers.

So both supplier and customer had incentive to make a deal.
 
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This rumored $200-$300 price hike feels like Apple seeding the media with a worst case scenario. Under this rumor, Apple can come in with a $100 price increase and look like the hero. $699 for the iPhone 18e, $899 for the iPhone 18 and $1199 for the iPhone 18 Pro.

Apple is pricing in not just current component price increases (which go far beyond just RAM and NAND), but also ones they expect to see over the next 12-24 months. This way they only have to raise prices once over the next two to three years, versus doing it piecemeal every six months over that time.

Yes, that results in a bigger hit to the consumer when they do commit and yes, it does front-load margins for Apple (which will erode over the remainder of the term as the cost increases eat into them). But it also provides "price stability" to customers who know that if they need to/want to wait six months to buy a new Apple product, they know the price is not going to increase in that time period.
 
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Hard to believe there isn't some sort of compromise in quality when reducing the cost by such a drastic amount. Anyone who's purchased third-party displays of varying tiers of quality knows there are a lot of different tricks and ways to make a display worse to save money.
 
Apple always has high volume orders. If Samsung and LG said no, where would Apple go to get their panels? That's my point -- there was nothing to negotiate with. Plus, with Apple not able to find memory chips, there's going to be lots of OLED panels sitting in warehouses waiting for memory.
Nah. Apple will make a multi-fold phone to use up the surplus displays. The iPhone Origami will unfold to 32 inches.😳🤯
 
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