Yes, I did. I had my 13 Pro Max for 4 years. I must have reset FaceID maybe 2 or 3 times in total to see if updates would help. It always worked 2 out of 3 times.
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iPhone 18 Pro Will Reportedly Have an LTPO+ Display With Under-Screen Face ID
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I’m betting on it being smaller island center of the screen version of the rumor being the correct one prediction.
Wait a second. Are you telling me you’re not excited by this breaking under-screen news? I have a 15 pro, but I woke up this morning to this breaking news and I couldn’t be more excited for the future of humanity! Is the line already forming outside the Apple Store? Any other features from Google that Apple is copying and implementing in the upcoming iphone? Or should we just buy a Google phone and call it a day? Exciting times indeed! 😎
iPhone displays are already amongst the best. LTPO+ isn't going to be a game changer. An incremental improvement at best.
One could say with great accuracy that today's iPhones are excellent.
We've paid a premium price for the iPhone model we currently own, why pay more for a so-called "upgrade".
As one who's owned many new iPhone's the shine is off the Apple. BiggerBetterFasterNewer... no longer appeals.
Under the screen FaceID will be good. Think dynamic island should be very similar to how it is currently. Don't think rumors can tell much about the software implementation Apple is planning to do.
I could’n care less if face ID continue as it is. It is fantastic and work every time.
Just wait- if under screen then you’l se miss funktion and poor funktion.
Just wait- if under screen then you’l se miss funktion and poor funktion.
dampfnudel
macrumors 603
It would make more sense if they just made the Dynamic Island smaller rather than eliminating it altogether. I’m sure eventually it will happen, but I think they still want to keep it at least until next year’s twentieth anniversary edition iPhone.
fatTribble
macrumors 68030
groove-agent
macrumors 68020
I'm on the 15 Pro.
For me I'm often in dark lit areas, jogging, or on the go where I can't hold the phone right up to my face. Placing my finger on a sensor would be more practical for how I use my phone.
Not disputing your issue, but I don't have to hold my 15 Pro up to my face because I can just glance down at it., even if its down by my waist.
sleep/to/dream
macrumors demi-goddess
Sounds like something was faulty, i still have my 13 PM around, and it works great. I felt like that was the generation where it felt significantly faster and more reliable for me, coming from an 11 Pro prior
The Game 161
macrumors Nehalem
in fairness this is what ross young reported on months ago so would tie up with that
sleep/to/dream
macrumors demi-goddess
Dark doesn’t matter, since it projects it’s own IR grid on your face when you use it
You could try turning off “require attention for face id” to see if that helps in any of your other use cases. It’s less secure that way, but probably similar to touchid i’d think
johnsawyercjs
macrumors 68000
Yup. Face ID works in total darkness. I just tested that to be sure. It doesn't even partly rely on visible light from the display, unlike most Android phones that have their own version of Face ID that uses a visible light camera, which doesn't work nearly as well. Fewer than 1% of Android phones have something similar to Apple's infrared system, but those versions don't work as well as Apple's either.
johnsawyercjs
macrumors 68000
You may be thinking of under-display front-facing selfie cameras on Android phones (which haven't been all that great). No Android phone has shipped at scale with secure (banking-grade biometrics), reliable under-display infrared dot grid facial recognition that's anywhere as reliable as Apple's under-display Face ID hardware will be. They've all essentially been experiments, and only a tiny handful of them, all with a variety of significant flaws. Apple will be the first to market with a reliable under-display 3D infrared dot facial recognition system.
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johnsawyercjs
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Being Dynamic, the Dynamic part of the Island doesn't require any presence onscreen until it displays something. It can be any size or shape needed, so theoretically it could even take over the whole screen until it's done displaying an alert, etc. "Technically", the dark pill we see today, that's always there, isn't necessary to have a Dynamic Island, since it's only an anchor-of-convenience for the Island's user interface, and isn't a functional part of the DI since it has no display pixels to be dynamic with, since having pixels there would get in the way of the front-facing camera lenses, including the Face ID camera. The DI assumes a persistent exclusion zone made necessary by the current hardware constraint of having no pixels above the front cameras.
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johnsawyercjs
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If "ShrimpApplePro"'s rumor is true, that would mean the only part of the Face ID hardware that might move under the display for the 18 Pro models (though maybe not yet for the non-Pro models) is the infrared 3D dot projector, but the IR camera itself that detects those IR dots bouncing off of your face might retain its visible lens within the Dynamic Island cutout/pill, meaning we'd be seeing a shorter pill shape rather than a circular hole punch for just the visible light selfie camera.
Due to the longer wavelength of IR light and how it interacts with smartphone display pixels, there are more technical challenges to getting Face ID's IR camera and its lens under the display and have them work properly, than for putting the IR dot projector under the display first, though moving the IR camera under the display is rumored to come in later iPhone models, possibly 2028 rather than for any of the 2027 anniversary models if Apple can't overcome the hurdles by the time they start making the 2027 models. If that's true, then Apple's roadmap for moving both cameras under the display might “plateau” for a couple years after the dot projector move for the 2026 Pro models, and the 2027 anniversary model's most visible redesign might be limited to just the bezel-less "all-screen" approach we've been hearing about, but if it still has a small DI cutout, that would make it harder to call this an all-screen design.
But thinking about it, how likely is it that Apple will want to "delay" putting both front cameras under the display until the year after the 2027 anniversary model? My guess is that Apple might be pulling out the stops for trying to get both front cameras under the display as early as the 2027 anniversary model, but physics and the supply chain might limit them to 2028 anyway. Whatever happens, Apple will still produce the other, non-anniversary iPhone models in 2027, and cram most of their new technology into only the anniversary model.
Due to the longer wavelength of IR light and how it interacts with smartphone display pixels, there are more technical challenges to getting Face ID's IR camera and its lens under the display and have them work properly, than for putting the IR dot projector under the display first, though moving the IR camera under the display is rumored to come in later iPhone models, possibly 2028 rather than for any of the 2027 anniversary models if Apple can't overcome the hurdles by the time they start making the 2027 models. If that's true, then Apple's roadmap for moving both cameras under the display might “plateau” for a couple years after the dot projector move for the 2026 Pro models, and the 2027 anniversary model's most visible redesign might be limited to just the bezel-less "all-screen" approach we've been hearing about, but if it still has a small DI cutout, that would make it harder to call this an all-screen design.
But thinking about it, how likely is it that Apple will want to "delay" putting both front cameras under the display until the year after the 2027 anniversary model? My guess is that Apple might be pulling out the stops for trying to get both front cameras under the display as early as the 2027 anniversary model, but physics and the supply chain might limit them to 2028 anyway. Whatever happens, Apple will still produce the other, non-anniversary iPhone models in 2027, and cram most of their new technology into only the anniversary model.
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