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Apple's upcoming A20 Pro chip, set to power the iPhone 18 Pro models, will reportedly be built using TSMC's third-generation 3nm process – the same node expected for the A19 Pro chip in this year's iPhone 17 Pro

Analyst: Apple will be using for A19 and A20

3nm > 2nm > 3nm > 2nm > 2nm and now back to 3nm again?
 
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Not intended to be smart or attract hate... but does anyone have an idea as to how many of these things are actually new? I read the the punchole thing is what samsung is doing now. It feels as though Apple is behind in the last few years? Or am I missing something (hopefully).
 
Any one of these would generate excitement amongst the faithful.

Eliminate the camera bump. No need for explanation. It stinks, and I don’t like it.

Under screen Face ID and/OR under screen Touch ID. Both would be awesome and sell a ton of upgrades. Either or would be great.

If you like Dynamic Island fine. Give the option to keep it in iOS. If not, you don’t have to look at it.

Apple is supposed to be one of the absolute best tech companies in the world. There is no reason. No reason. They can’t make these things happen.

It’ll just be another year of cookie cutter incremental non consequential changes that make people who upgrade regularly yawn.
 
Soooo... we are not expecting the anti-glare, scratch-resistant glass from the S24/S25 Ultra that was scrapped from the iPhone 17 plans? That would be a long time to go without addressing this feature gap.
 
Nice... Though unpopular here, I always look forward to new camera features/performance that Apple introduces in upcoming iPhones!
 
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Wait, we are already on the iPhone 18 rumor bandwagon? How about sticking with the iPhone 17 rumor mill till September/October?

in case I don't forget about this thread in the future, let me post my replies for the next three years for you:


the best advice I can give you right now(May 2025) is:
my advice is not to upgrade to the iPhone 17 this year, wait for the iPhone 18 that will have cool new features and upgraded hardware.

(wait 12 months before reading the next reply)

the best advice I can give you right now(May 2026) is:
my advice is not to upgrade to the iPhone 18 this year, wait for the iPhone 19 that will have cool new features and upgraded hardware.

(wait 12 months before reading the next reply)

the best advice I can give you right now(May 2027) is:
my advice is not to upgrade to the iPhone 19 this year, wait for the iPhone 20 that will have cool new features and upgraded hardware.

Actually, my advice will remain the same for the next 10 years or so... just add 1 to the model of the iPhone model numbers. :)
 
I have no hope for anything beyond usual ones. My 15PM is waiting for iPhone 19 or 20 Pro Max only if I see Titanium frame, otherwise, just leave the eco system and say bye bye to iPhones!
 
Q1: What was your best value new iPhone?

Q2: What was your best value 'pre-loved' iPhone?


I was blown away by the camera capability of the iPhone7, bought new, which I kept until the iPhone12; I then bought the 12Pro on a contract over 3 years which ended up costing me much less than full price, which I reckon was my 'best value'. [I had the iPhone 4 & 6S but they were paid for by employer.]

My present 15 Pro was bought as pre-loved in a direct sale with its owner when the 16 went on sale; that is proving very good value.
 
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Nice... Though unpopular here, I always look forward to new camera features/performance that Apple introduces in upcoming iPhones!

iOS will use Apple Intelligence to figure out when to take a picture and will automatically take it without the user knowing it.

Wife to husband - "Why is your iPhone full of pictures of attractive women" ? :)
 
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I mean this.
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The new stretched camera bump coming this year (and next) could be the last iterations of this design.
I don't get what you mean, besides a folding device, which will be an addition, this type of slab phone is not going anywhere. It's just going to continue to improve, and inevitably get worse when they change things which work or add too much complexity. Camera Control is one sign of this. A camera button should merely be about the speed at which someone can get a photo or video off from anywhere in the OS. It most certainly should not have touch functionality, which the display is for. Touch Bar 2.0

This is how the "camera button" (what it should be called) should need to be explained: "This is the camera button, it's a way to take photos and videos quickly. Press this once to take a photo, press and hold to record a video, you don't even need to be in the camera app to use it. It just works."

A half-press, which more advanced users would be aware of, could offer the ability to "peek" through the camera from within any app, like a pop-up window that doesn't entirely fill the display. Letting the button go would exit this view, or when in this view pressing the button fully would snap off a photo, and seamlessly the user is in the Camera app. Fast, simple, useful.

This is what "camera control" should be, a simple button for taking snaps. "Wow, look at that over there!" *snap* *snap* *snap*. Easy marketability, easy to understand, useful to have.
 
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I think you missed to point out the most important aspect of a variable aperture- it would allow for much smoother and more professional looking videos- as the high shutter speed that the iphone has to use to stop down the exposure of a scene is the most annoying "amateur video" thing right now when shooting on the phone. Sure you can use external ND filters, but usually let's say when I'm just out on a festival or just the street, I won't have that with me. So that's great. I think the DoF control is really non existant given the tiny sensor size.
 
The Apple iPhone drip feeding does become tiring!!

But I suppose that’s how they have become a trillion dollar company.

I’ll keep my 13pm till the downloadable foldable iPhone comes out in 2032.
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I upgrade every two years, for me that is the "sweet spot" for feature updates and trade-in value. So it will be the iPhone 18 when the time comes. Smart phones in general and the iPhone in particular have just become too important in daily life.
 
Yawn, yawn, yawn. Just incremental stuff. $28B profit this quarter and this is all they can come up with?
Smartphones have been around 20 years now. You aren't going to get crazy updates every year anymore. Every year will be far less now. It's just how it is. You can only do so much with a phone and they've already added 20 years worth of new features since they started.
 
Analyst: Apple will be using for A19 and A20

3nm > 2nm > 3nm > 2nm > 2nm and now back to 3nm again?
Don’t get caught up on what they name their fab process “nm” is just a marketing term and has been for many years now, even though it seems to work. If these rumors are correct, the iPhone 18 could offer significant battery life over an iPhone 15, 14 or later with really nice performance gains compared to the iPhone 17, which is really looking like a dud.
 
Yawn, yawn, yawn. Just incremental stuff. $28B profit this quarter and this is all they can come up with?

Smartphones have been around 20 years now. You aren't going to get crazy updates every year anymore. Every year will be far less now. It's just how it is. You can only do so much with a phone and they've already added 20 years worth of new features since they started.
I really don’t know what else people want from a phone at this point. They are already incredible devices and are fully mature. Perhaps ChrisMac47 wants his phone to magically turn into a helicopter at the press of a button.

I’m also realizing that the iPad is too getting close to that point where by in the next 3-4 years, there may not be a need for an iPad Air in the lineup.
 
Meanwhile Oppo's new flagship has 4 cameras, 3 of which have larger sensors than the current iPhone 16 Pro main sensor.
Yeah, but have you seen the Oppo's camera bump? A lot of iPhone owners would commit harakiri if Apple put one of those on an iPhone, and not just because there's an "H" in the middle of it:

Oppo Fin X8 camera bump.png
 
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New chips for THE FASTEST CHIP WE’VE EVER PUT IN AN IPHONE for the 18th year in a row. New camera sensor for the 18th year in a row NOW TAKES 16K MOVIE GRADE VIDEO. IT TAKES UP SO MUCH STORAGE YOULL NEED A NEW TIER OF ICLOUD AND A FLASH DRIVE CONNECTED TO YOUR PHONE JUST TO USE IT! And a hole-punch cutout for the selfie camera - OUR SMALLEST DYNAMIC ISLAND WE HAVE EVER PUT IN AN IPHONE.

I’m keeping my 13PM yet another year if you couldn’t tell 😂
Agreed 100%. I’ll keep my 13PM probably for the next 2 years as well. Hope we can have at least a bit of new fresh air in 2027 with the 20th anniversary edition. Meh.
 
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