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nimda0

macrumors 6502
Jul 17, 2008
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D-town!
i couldn't agree less...it seems little emoji icons are of higher priority than the simplest phone functions..copy and paste...forwarding text messages..etc....complete nonsense

I think you meant, you couldn't agree more? lol

But...., either way, 2.1 fixed most of that crap he mentioned. I'd say we need mms, copy/paste, and video recording before anything else. Those 3 piss me off.

I think this is a cool new feature, and i'm sure there are more to come.
 

tokevino

macrumors member
Jan 13, 2005
66
0
The Japanese market says the iPhone doesn't sell that well because of the lack of stupid little cartoony characters? Give me a break. That's so retarded.

Ignorant are you. Emoji is a MUST HAVE in Japanese market. You have no idea what you are talking about.
 

zengod

macrumors member
Feb 18, 2008
74
15
How about a chocolate teapot as well !!

Sounds like a waste of memory to me - Apple should be concentrating on what people really want and may go back to their N95's to get ie -

CUT AND PASTE !!
VIDEO RECORDING
A rubberized back that does'nt show fingerprints
SMS Forwarding
oh and how about ... CUT AND PASTE.
 

cloudnine

macrumors 6502a
Jul 3, 2006
532
0
San Francisco, CA
Ignorant are you. Emoji is a MUST HAVE in Japanese market. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Sorry to get your panties all in a bind... but yeah, I still believe that it's lame to state that a phone is failing because of missing little cartoony characters. I was unaware that 98% of Japanese iPhone sales were due to 12 year olds' texting needs. :rolleyes:
 

mavis

macrumors 601
Jul 30, 2007
4,664
1,357
Tokyo, Japan
Sorry to get your panties all in a bind... but yeah, I still believe that it's lame to state that a phone is failing because of missing little cartoony characters. I was unaware that 98% of Japanese iPhone sales were due to 12 year olds' texting needs. :rolleyes:
Well, since every phone sold in Japan has supported emoji for many years, the fact that the iPhone doesn't support it is a big turn-off for many. It also shows Apple's lack of interest in Japan, and many Japanese people found that kind of insulting (if Apple had done their homework they would've realized how important emoji for Japanese people was and would've included it from the beginning) ...

Anyway I'm glad Apple is finally addressing this 'problem' and I'm looking forward to being able to read my friends' emails again, FINALLY. I'm also glad Apple's iPhone development isn't being overseen by some of the people on the boards here, who have never set foot outside their home country and can't wrap their little heads around the idea that other markets have different needs. :rolleyes:
 

Adjei

macrumors 6502
Sep 23, 2008
354
0
i couldn't agree less...it seems little emoji icons are of higher priority than the simplest phone functions..copy and paste...forwarding text messages..etc....complete nonsense
On will you just shut up..:rolleyes:

Why did you go and buy the phone knowing it couldn't do all of this..:rolleyes:
 

Adjei

macrumors 6502
Sep 23, 2008
354
0
No, I'm not a programmer and neither are 99.9% of the users. I bought the iPhone 2G & then 3G with expectations that relevant useful applications would be built.

It's become a phone for gamers and toys. It is not by any means close to a Business phone that Apple claims it to be now.

The damn email doesn't even have spell check and lacks the most fundamental features of a dumb phone.

Actions like this are a large reason the stock is near a 52 week low.

Enjoy your cute little icons and watch the competition pass Apple.

52 week stock low 94.65 Friday's close $97.07. Maybe the Japanese market sales are bad because they are used to a more sophisticated smart phone market than we in the US are.

:mad:
Go buy another phone, then I mean, you bought the phone with the expectation that these things would be added, what sort of reasoning is that, some people..:rolleyes:
 

Adjei

macrumors 6502
Sep 23, 2008
354
0
I Hope Apple did not spend alot of their resources on this,
the Iphone has lot of missing features that other phones have,
and Apples priorities should be getting those missing features onto
the Iphone.
So some phones are missing features that the iphone, what is your bloody point..:rolleyes:
 

Adjei

macrumors 6502
Sep 23, 2008
354
0
How about a chocolate teapot as well !!

Sounds like a waste of memory to me - Apple should be concentrating on what people really want and may go back to their N95's to get ie -

CUT AND PASTE !!
VIDEO RECORDING
A rubberized back that does'nt show fingerprints
SMS Forwarding
oh and how about ... CUT AND PASTE.
Yes we'll be happy if you go back to that brick, one of your complaints is idiotic I won't even bother..
 

RHDJapan

macrumors newbie
Aug 12, 2008
28
0
FINALLY. I'm also glad Apple's iPhone development isn't being overseen by some of the people on the boards here, who have never set foot outside their home country and can't wrap their little heads around the idea that other markets have different needs. :rolleyes:

I agree. The whole cookie cutter model works for some things but I think Apple has learned that the phone market in Japan is not a cookie cutter model and phones must be tailored to specific communication and functional needs of a culture.

My hunch is that Apple is scrambling to get better sales for the iphone in Japan and it is one of their top priorities. This is because here in Japan new phones come out every season. They have Spring Summer models and Fall Winter models. And i think that Apple is not so good with its new model frequency. So now the iphone is not so new news and is getting older. There is no new software that will make old hardware look new either. People (most) here have their phone for about a year, although this may change with the newly changed pricing structure that the phones come with, but thats debatable.. The Japan market lives for the newest gadget and now that the iphone is not so shiny and there are far too few people using it to have the "my friend has one so ill get one too" appeal there is major concern over sales here in Japan. This could turn out to be a major failure on Apples part I think. And to sum it up, isnt Japan the worlds second largest economy?:confused:
 

MattInOz

macrumors 68030
Jan 19, 2006
2,760
0
Sydney
They must have an elite crack team working for the past 2 years then. Copy and paste, SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Well it is cut and paste in a non-multi-tasking Environment.
I assume its the same team working on inter-app push messaging.


Or even a few different teams, the mail/sms/safari app teams are waiting for the Internal SDK team who are waiting on the GUI team who are just finishing off pinning down the Push API team,.....
 

pamon

macrumors 6502
May 12, 2006
258
3
c'mon... adding these stupid emoji icons won't help 99% of the users in the US at all other than being a cute addon. Agree with others stating that cut/paste, mms, push, and video recording should've been a 2.2 feature set vs this lame PR move of a graphic pleasure getter. I enjoy my 3G but as an email and mms tool, it seriously lacks.
 

thed0000d

macrumors newbie
Aug 24, 2008
5
0
wow, 2500 shares? well if u were invested that heavily into apple, why would u be a macrumors "newbie" member since aug. 2008. i would think you would pay close attention to apples every move if u had that much money in them. and ur all complaining about these icons really? everything does revolve around the US (and i am from the US). yeah i want horizontal SMS and Mail and MMS but i realized they have to make it a global product first then refine it later.

I just sold about 1900 of those shares right when they hit around 202/share, Luckily that was the right thing to do. So I'm good. why do I need to post, that the reason I'm still a newbie. So your saying that Since I don't post a lot and cause there's a "newbie" by my name that I shouldn't be complaining. wow obviously you are way out of your league when you comment on my post. Listen, I watch apple closely as I do every other company I'm invested thanks. and Little smiley faces on a phone is something that can be added later. When you have fortune 500 companies that use these phone now and apple is pushing these phones toward those companies. You would really think that apple would get an idea to not just use the accelerometer on the calculator but place it on the SMS as well as the Mail apps. Trust me, if apple added those preferences, not just the "U.S." would benefit, the whole world would. That would actually increase there Shares mostly, because it's an investment to Companies as well that use the Mail app internally on there servers.

So does that help you understand a little more or do I need to take baby steps to help your brain comprehend.....

***That everything Apple does reflect on there shares***

plus I work for a pharmicutical company that does use the iphone and the *push* feature which so happens that one of the reasons why Apples stock dropped because they missed their deadline for a September release of background Push notifications for the iPhone.

Sorry that was probably over your head...... :?
 

mavis

macrumors 601
Jul 30, 2007
4,664
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Tokyo, Japan
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pamon said:
c'mon... adding these stupid emoji icons won't help 99% of the users in the US at all other than being a cute addon. Agree with others stating that cut/paste, mms, push, and video recording should've been a 2.2 feature set vs this lame PR move of a graphic pleasure getter. I enjoy my 3G but as an email and mms tool, it seriously lacks.

If only Japan wasn't the second largest economy in the world ... ;)
 

rotorzilla

macrumors newbie
Aug 27, 2008
8
0
I live in Japan, and not having access to Emoji has been a big turn off for lots my Japanese friends. Two of them have taken their iPhone back to softback to get their old phones back. I don't use them often when I would use my old phone. But almost every email I would get from them would be sprinkled with them.

It might not popular in the states, but in Japan its a big issue.

Also a place to put a kaitai strap on your iPhone. Japanese love to use them. even if they don't use them for a strap, but just for a decorations.

For those who can understand the need for Emoji you really need to come to Japan to see how the Japanese use their phones.

I wish email has a spell checker, you could send an attachment in a reply. I agree that the iphone is not an enterprise ready device. Just because you can check mail on pop or imap server don't make it enterprise ready.
 

overanalyzer

macrumors 6502a
Sep 7, 2007
909
0
Boston, MA USA
c'mon... adding these stupid emoji icons won't help 99% of the users in the US at all other than being a cute addon. Agree with others stating that cut/paste, mms, push, and video recording should've been a 2.2 feature set vs this lame PR move of a graphic pleasure getter. I enjoy my 3G but as an email and mms tool, it seriously lacks.

It's no longer about US users. We had our fun back when the iPhone was only in the US, but now it's in over 50 countries, soon to be over 75. (And seeing as the iPhone 3G launched just in time for me to get one while I'm living in Australia, I'm quite happy it's no longer US-only.) Apple needs to accommodate local market demands, particularly major markets with picky users, even if users in other countries don't care. Yes, many other potential and often-requested features will benefit everyone, but that doesn't mean it's a waste of time for someone at Apple to spend a couple days adding emoji.
 

tony-in-japan

macrumors regular
Jan 13, 2008
243
0
Saitama, Japan
c'mon... adding these stupid emoji icons won't help 99% of the users in the US at all other than being a cute addon. Agree with others stating that cut/paste...

Which is the exactly the whole point dude. They were not designed to help even 100% of US users, never mind your 99%.

I hope Apple just restricts these emoji to the Japanese iPhones as they were soley designed for. Then you will probably hear more moaning from the same people screaming:

“Yo, Apple! Where’s my emoji!! :mad:”
 

richardp2020

macrumors newbie
Oct 8, 2007
21
0
Which is the exactly the whole point dude. They were not designed to help even 100% of US users, never mind your 99%.

I hope Apple just restricts these emoji to the Japanese iPhones as they were soley designed for. Then you will probably hear more moaning from the same people screaming:

“Yo, Apple! Where’s my emoji!! :mad:”

I lived in Japan for 4 years, why can't I send my friends emoji? I'm not even American :D
 

LanPhantom

macrumors regular
Feb 28, 2007
125
0
Hooper, UT
Seems Important Feature

I mean, really?

Turn by Turn directions, copy & paste, portrait mode in email... I can name more, but what's the use. I know they need to appease these different markets with different cultures, but man, I just want some basic functionality. OH YEAH, and pepper some stability in there too, my browser crashes after 4 minutes of use EVERY TIME.

LanPhantom
 

kebosabi

macrumors newbie
Oct 7, 2008
1
0
It surprises me that no one mentioned the other benefit that emoji has: keeping your text msg usage down:

Typical 120 word/space text msg:

"Honey, I'm coming back from NY. My flight arrives at 8PM. Can u pick me up at the airport? Oh & don’t forget to pickup the kids from school at 6! Luv u!"


Written in emoji, word count shortened to 113 word/space:

"Honey, I'm coming back from A. My B at C. Can u pick me up at D. Oh & don't forget to pickup the E from F at G! H"

A = emoji of Statue of Liberty
B = emoji of arriving plane
C = emoji of 8PM
D = emoji of airport sign
E = emoji of kids
F = emoji of school
G = emoji of heart symbol

All these emoji are samples used on my antique Vodafone cell phone that I used back in Japan 4 years ago. I'm sure more emojis have been added in since then. I was once skeptical that emojis are just for trend, but I quickly learned that using icons that portray some of the words do shorten the text msgs that I sent out.

So I think emojis do in fact have some positive lights to users in the US as well. By shortening some of the messages even more, you don't have to get frustrated by your kids' text messaging bills :D
 
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