Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
I did a quick check and it looked to me like 2 ÷ 1,000,000 was 0.00002. But what do I know, I'm a lawyer, not an accountant! :);):D

LOL. As a Lawyer your math is limited to # of hours x $300. :D

Your math was correct, but that just gave you the decimal form of the fraction 2/1000000. The % needs to multiply that number by 100 (decimal point 2 zeroes to the right), thus 2/1000000 or .0000002 becomes .00002% of the total. :p
 
As a repeat offender (2G & 3G) wait in line, gotta have it today person, I finally kicked my addiction and decided to wait it out and see if AT&T will adjust pricing for us who purchased on launch day last year and who meet all criteria except the $99 per month (me=$92) upgrade deal. I talked to my friends at numerous Apple stores and others who just dropped in to see if the lines materialized & all said it was fairly quiet and nothing compared to last years roll out of the 3G. I'm sure pre-ordering helped but I just have a gut feeling most folks who upgraded on launch day last year are holding on to their cash this time around...

Since Most=51% or more that's a pretty safe bet.
 
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol, I think EVERYONE forgot about the Palm Pre! LMAO!

I LOVE APPLE!!!!!!! :apple::apple::apple:

No I sure as hell didn't forget about the palm pre. My new iPhone 3GS has a memo reminding me to return it to bestbuy after work.
 
No I sure as hell didn't forget about the palm pre. My new iPhone 3GS has a memo reminding me to return it to bestbuy after work.

If you are returning the Pre, congratulations; it's the best post of the day.

Otherwise, read below and enjoy your stillborn device:





WINDOWS MOBILE IS DEAD. PALM IS DEAD. RIM IS DEAD.
 
Unfortunately, Cell Phone companies (not just AT&T) are more about money than the customers.

You're right, they are far far more interested in screwing customers than providing good service. Verizon may be the biggest, but they cripple every freaking phone down to dumb. Customer satisfaction is a dirty word to the cell phone companies. I remember reading a study that said it was cheaper for cell phone companies to get new customers rather than do anything to keep existing customers.
 
If you are returning the Pre, congratulations; it's the best post of the day.

Otherwise, read below and enjoy your stillborn device:





WINDOWS MOBILE IS DEAD. PALM IS DEAD. RIM IS DEAD.

Well . . . WinMo seems to have been relegated to also-ran status. the whole UI, the entire concept of WinMo, needs a complete overhaul. Part of the problem is that it runs on every crap device out there.

RIM is doing alright, especially in the corporate sphere, but has nowhere near the demand, momentum and ecosystem that the iPhone enjoys. And the corproate sector is beginning to take the iPhone seriously.

And the Pre . . . the jury's still out on that one. Seems Palm's dog-and-pony show is off to a bit of a slow start.
 
Yeah Right! I went to my local at&t store this morning to get my wife the new 3Gs (she can really use the better battery life). I went at 9am and they had signs on the door that said "The line starts here". Went inside and absolutely NO customers and about 10 sales associates... I made a joke about nobody wanting the new iPhone and they just laughed. They only had the 32GB so I ended up going to the local Best Buy and got one. The girl at BB said that I was the first person to buy one. In fact, their system didn't have the SKU number loaded so they had to do a manual override or something... was in there 30 min!

you live in South Carolina.
 
Remember ... the upgrade limitations are AT&T, not Apple.



Your logic is missing the point just a bit. While is seems "logical" that AT&T should jump at the chance to have you under contract for two more years instead of just one more, they already have you under contract for one more year under your OLD contract. So selling you a new phone only gains them one year, which is why they offer the phone to you for $399/499 versus the no contract price of $599/699. The $199/299 price is for when they can "GAIN" two years of service commitment or for those shorter-term users who have already paid for the largest plans, thus making more money for AT&T during the early half of their contract. AT&T is not oblicated to offer deals to those presently under contract. You are required to sign a two year deal even with "cheap" or free, less-featured, non-smartphones.

WOW!
Thank you for the best,clearest explanation of the situation I've seen!Now if all the whiners could be made to comprehend it,the world would be a better place.

I'm activating my $499 32gb 3Gs right now and not complaining a bit.
 
ATT Contracts

I have the first gen, not the 3G, so not only am I eligible, I'm not under contract of any kind. That being said, here's my thought on the upgrade issue...

Before the 1st gen came out, you can't tell me Apple didn't already have a roadmap for a new model yearly. With that in mind, Apple and ATT really should have figured many would want to upgrade yearly. To account for this, they should have optioned a 1 year contract with less subsidy. That way, you are free to get the new phone every year. Instead of a $199 iPhone 3G, you would have paid $299. Then after 12 months, you get full upgrade eligibility. If you want the 3Gs over 2 years for $199, fine. 1 year = $299. Etc.

I haven't done the math, so I don't know if these numbers make sense, but you get the idea. The fact is, many would choose to upgrade every year.
 
regardless

regardless of more retail outlets, I DON'T think there will be more sales today than the previous sales for the 3G. Although, although, there MIGHT be more GLOBAL sales, over the 3G since it wasn't originally available in unison globally on launch day
 
Assuming you are one of those users not yet eligible:
You mean if AT&T had written off half of the loan they gave you when you bought your iPhone 3G?
You bought a $700 phone for $300, ie, AT&T gave you a $400 loan which you are paying off over the course of two years. Now you want to stop paying back the loan after one year and get a new loan for a new phone instead? Good luck with that.


*cough*brickwall*cough*
 
Phone companies make back that subsidized price well before the second year of any contract starts. The second year is just ALL profits.

Not true. Assuming a base service contract with voice, data and 200 messages is $75/month in revenue, that is $1,800 in revenue over 2 years. Now, in total AT&T has a bottom line net income margin of 10% of revenue (per the annual report). Even assuming cellular is double that at 20%, that would work out to $360 in profit over 2 years or $15 per month (and this is assuming the cost of $300+ subsidy is already baked into that margin). We aren't talking obscene profits. Theorectically, their economic profits are zero (after accounting for risk).

Some think the cellular network is already there so there are no costs. But it isn't free to constantly upgrade the U.S. cell network to the next generation of service, or to maintain the lines hauling the traffic to switching centers, or the switching or the transport or maintaining billing systems or staffing customer service centers to take thousands of calls from people asking where there 3GS is.

Yes, it is fun to rip on the evil-doer corporations, but without AT&T, an iPhone is just a Touch. Sure their are other carriers, but don't think they will be any better. Sure someday the U.S. government may take over all the carriers, then it will be free phone service for all with 8G speeds!!

Of course, I am in an angry mood though, I am sitting at work while my new phone is sitting at home...alone, just waiting for me to return.[/QUOTE]


How DARE you bring actual FACTS into what is essentially an emotional argument?All these folks know is what they want.Attempting to use logic with them would only trip their breakers.
 
I went past the Apple store in Burlington Mass today, looking for a new MBP. Unfortunately only iPhone customers allowed in the store. Maybe if I wait until Monday or Tuesday they will let non-iPhone customers in? They had 3rd party security keeping things orderly. Lines were not long to get in, but why wait in line if I don't even want to buy an iPhone?

2 AT&T stores in the same mall, counted 4 customers in each store, but it could have been 2 couples.

Macmall
 
Like I have said before, I have no problem with a 2 year contract. Just don't say that my 2 year contract is specifically to pay off any loan that I was given from a provider. Yes, a portion of that contract does pay off that loan, but it does not take two years to pay it off. If it was really about that subsidy/loan they should include it as a detailed charge on your bill so you could really see when you were paid off and how much per month goes to cover that loss. Unfortunately, Cell Phone companies (not just AT&T) are more about money than the customers.

Gee...maybe that's why you get the full subsidized price after 18 months-ya think?
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.