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All this means to me is another reason for the iPhone to be on Verizon. I can't believe this is not a Page 1 story.
Exactly! An iPhone on Verizon would get you a whopping 0 bit/s download and 0 bit/s upload.

For Apple, it does not make sense to make hardware to support a dying air interface (CDMA2000) that isn't available worldwide.
 
You might want to look at the wikipedia pages showing where HSUPA is deployed versus where HSDPA is deployed. Most of the target markets for the 3G only have UMTS/HSDPA and even the current CDMA providers in Canada only plan on implementing UMTS/HSDPA as a stepping stone for LTE. LTE is just around the corner so I would expect that the next iPhone will support LTE rather than bothering with HSUPA.

Doesn't T-Mobile use a different 3G band than AT&T? You'll be on Edge anyway.

T-Mobile Germany... 7.2 Mbit HSDPA and 2.0 Mbit HSUPA in metropolitan areas.
 

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My uploading is great!

I have uploaded a 35-minute clip of fireworks on the 4th of July in less than 4 minutes to MobileMe. I'm just fine with that - in fact the iPhone will do it in the background while I take care of other tasks!

Also, I have tested my iPhone in Boston and I get 3.3MB/second download with a 2.5MB/second upload. I'm not seeing the issue...
 
I will not be buying a 3GS

...not now, not when I can get a newly subsidized one, not ever.

Too many disappointments - the only real bonus is a faster CPU, which most of the time doesn't matter, and I'm certain I'd be just wishing for a faster one as soon as I got used to it.

Holding out for a REAL upgrade. Get off your asses, apple. Make the next one COUNT if y'ant mah monay!
 
The PMB 8878, which is inside the 3GS, is flash upgradable to higher HSDPA rates as well as HSUPA... its also funny to note that the "rapid repair" article is showing the baseband part number of an EDGE-only chip.

im sure once that is available and PTCRB certified, and their large customers are actually ready for an influx of HSUPA handsets, the baseband will be upgraded by apple and we will all be uploading our youtube videos of utter crap with lightning speed.
 
For Apple, it does not make sense to make hardware to support a dying air interface (CDMA2000) that isn't available worldwide.

It makes a lot of sense if we look at actual sales to date.

While 10% of USA customers with availability have bought iPhones (~7 million), only about 0.8% of the rest of the iPhone world has (~13 million).

If 10% of the 130 million North American CDMA users bought an iPhone (13 million phones), the number would meet or exceed total sales so far in the rest of the world.

People keep trying to bring up "billions" of GSM potential sales that just aren't there in real life. Either because of lack of money for a data plan, 3G coverage, or just plain availability.
 
oh, AT&T is continuing to **** it's customers. nothing new here.

Did you even read the article?
It's the chipset chosen for the phone that is the limiter, not the network.
So it was Apple that ****** it's customers (and AT&T, kinda. Since people like you blame AT&T for Apple's implementation snafu).
 
The problem, as others have pointed out, is that poor upstream bandwidth limits the ACKs going back... thus potentially limiting the downstream speed, especially for TCP/IP....

I pointed this out a long time ago, but it needs repeating:

HSUPA is NOT just about throughput, it has far lower latency than the regular old UMTS 3G. So while the download side is fast, every packet going upstream has a high latency. It's not as bad as EDGE, but is it far worse than the newer HSUPA technology.

This could be important for real-time applications like VOIP, multiplayer gaming over the network, video conferencing, etc ---- not to mention it slows down web browsing as all the TCP packet notifications going upstream have a far higher latency.
 
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This could be important for real-time applications like VOIP, multiplayer gaming over the network, video conferencing, etc ---- not to mention it slows down web browsing as all the TCP packet notifications going upstream have a far higher latency.

These are all applications the carrier has no interest in supporting right now...and maybe some of the traffic/chat-heavy applications once LTE is available.
 
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