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What makes you an expert on what is a software bug vs hardware defect?

The fact that I understand physical design specifications and you don't. Take off your blinders and get a clue, noob.

No software fix is going to magically detect if you are touching the sides and adjust the signal appropriately. Use some common sense.

Owned.
 
The fact that I understand physical design specifications and you don't. Take off your blinders and get a clue, noob.

No software fix is going to magically detect if you are touching the sides and adjust the signal appropriately. Use some common sense.

Owned.
Actually, some interference from your hand/body is common with phones. If the iOS or modem software isn't handling the interference correctly then you'd be wrong. Point being, nobody has an answer right now.

Owned. :rolleyes:
 
Actually, some interference from your hand/body is common with phones. If the iOS or modem software isn't handling the interference correctly then you'd be wrong. Point being, nobody has an answer right now.

Owned. :rolleyes:

Clearly you have no programming experience at all and have absolutely no idea what your talking about.

The most the software can do is "lie" about what's going on. It can't magically detect if your hand on it and adjust the signal.

Owned.
 
The fact that I understand physical design specifications and you don't. Take off your blinders and get a clue, noob.

No software fix is going to magically detect if you are touching the sides and adjust the signal appropriately. Use some common sense.

Owned.

Where did I say I was an expert in this field? I never did. All I know is that the whole steel band is the antenna and the act of bridging the cell antenna and the Wi-Fi/GPS/BT antenna at the lower left seam is causing the problem. That is far as my knowledge takes me. So I have no idea if this is a hardware defect or software bug.

And you still haven't stated your background in what gives what you say credibility.
 
less of the arguing please...lol....

the question is..if it is a design fault what on earth are apple going to do???...i dont really want a bumper on my phone wether its free or not!!!...either back to the 3gs or HTC....either way big big mistake apple!!!....how the hell can they recall or replace every iphone4 they have sold in the last week or to,if they do a recall.for a hardware upgrade they are in deep deep do-do....another toyota....haha....
 
less of the arguing please...lol....

the question is..if it is a design fault what on earth are apple going to do???...i dont really want a bumper on my phone wether its free or not!!!...either back to the 3gs or HTC....either way big big mistake apple!!!....how the hell can they recall or replace every iphone4 they have sold in the last week or to,if they do a recall.for a hardware upgrade they are in deep deep do-do....another toyota....haha....
you could take yours back to the shop and get your money back if you are not happy!
or just live with it
 
yes, on the concidence that i have a highly conductive piece of material that happens to connect to the two bands, I will scream OMFG WTF BBQ~~!~!!!!

As for my hands, they dont' cause the drop because the conduction caused by your body is far less then that of that key. THat said, reason why some people aren't seeing this is because people's resistance varies ....average human should have about 50ohms of resistance....(don't quote me on that)

Me and a bunch of EE's were talking about this antenna issue at work the other day...we all think there is something more than just "omg, the two are causing contact". Apple would be morons for the RF engineer to tune the antennas without factoring in human contact.
 
It appears to be logical that bridging the gap with a finger between the two antennas whilst using the 'phone is causing the problem.

It can also be assumed that, putting the antennas outside the phone enables them to be larger and therefore more efficient.

When I make a call on my iPhone, if I'm not using the speaker, I hold it by it's sides and never touch the bottom corner.

So - what's the problem?
 
Well, actually, those people may have the problem and not know it for three reasons:

  1. The iPhone reports 5 bars down to about -80 to -90 dB.
  2. Hand position reduces the signal by up to 20 dB
  3. The people with no problem may have a -60 or better signal in their area. So while they drop to -78 their bars won't go down - e.g. they have the problem but don't know it.
So, it's not a problem for them now. What happens if they don't get it handled and find themselves in a lower signal area? It could show itself in the future, assuming this is a 100% design flaw and not a high frequency defect -- software or hardware.

Well, I live in an area with spotty coverage, but work in an area with good coverage, so once I get the 4, it'll be interesting to see what happens.
 
yeah it looks like a bridging the gap issue. BUT when i used my hands I don't get this issue.....oh wait.

.....so i used a key...it drop from 5,4,3,2,1 and then the signal started to come back....to 4.

It sucks it's happening to alot of people, check your hands. Are they moist? that does cause more conduction. Your typically is more resistive then alot of the experiements shown. My opinion...if people are seeing issues, there is a issue with the construction of the phone...not the hands.
 
I'm O2 as well and I can recreate the issue 100% of the time.
Bridging the gap with a 10p coin sees the signal go from 5 bars to 1 in ~15secs
Do you get a drop in signal when holding your phone normally?
i am well aware of the problem, and that you can make the signal drop but its not an issue in every day use and don't most people have the phone in a case? just don't put your finger in that spot simples
 
again

Do you get a drop in signal when holding your phone normally?
i am well aware of the problem, and that you can make the signal drop but its not an issue in every day use and don't most people have the phone in a case? just don't put your finger in that spot simples

So I hold my g3s phone in the same way you hold a phone and the 4 the same way I lose signal with 4 and not g3s HUM ????? Could it be a flaw? I think so! So Hey apple FIX IT!
 
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