So I decided to do a quick extreme low light test to see how much grain/noise we get, I've wanted to compare the iPhone 4's 720p with the Flip Mino's 720p for a while because I basically want to replace it with my phone's cam. For those who are interested follow these links to download the raw files: iphone4 22mb @ 720p for 17 seconds: www.willchristiansen.com/iphone4_video/IMG_0258.MOV Flip Mino HD 21.3mb @ 720p for 17 seconds: www.willchristiansen.com/iphone4_video/VID00002.MP4 Interesting to note that the iPhone 4 seems to record at around 23.97 fps in the same light situation whereas the Flip records at 30fps almost the entire time. They both have almost the exact same bit rate which is most likely why the file sizes are so close. I imagine apple decided they want to drop the shutter speed in favor of a lower ISO. Seems like they are doing it pretty intelligently here. NOTE: make sure you right-click and click "save link as" the .mp4 file might get caught by chrome's .mp4 html 5 junk and screw everything up when trying to play in browser. If anyone finds this useful I can do some other tests. w.