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Who cares...comparing specs is pointless...irrelevant.

Also... :) where in the AF are you right now? I'm also in the AF, stationed at the Pentagon.
 
Remember, it's the interplay of hardware and software that makes it 'magical.'

I've seen the EVO 4G, Incredible, and Droid in action, and none of them appear to be as fluid and smooth as the iPhone 3GS, let alone the upcoming iPhone 4.

Until you have someone designing the hardware and software and having them fully understand each other, the sum will always be greater than its parts.
 
Remember, it's the interplay of hardware and software that makes it 'magical.'

I've seen the EVO 4G, Incredible, and Droid in action, and none of them appear to be as fluid and smooth as the iPhone 3GS, let alone the upcoming iPhone 4.

Until you have someone designing the hardware and software and having them fully understand each other, the sum will always be greater than its parts.

I can agree with that but for a 50 yr old man that HATES apple I'd love to show him actual specs of the new iPhone.
 
Oh great, thanks for your opinion...

How about a useful reply now. I'm going to google around and when I find them I'll post for those who are curious.


The point is...why do you even care? For an inter-office debate comparing cell phone processors? Does it really matter to you? I work with a bunch of Droid fanatics and they seem to try to bait me into a iPhone vs Droid argument all the time...I just tell them it doesn't matter to me, I just like the iPhone and all that stuff. It's funny to me how many Droid fans seem to take it personally that others like the iPhone.
 
I'm stuck in Dover. :(


What's wrong with Dover? Is it small or something, I heard the base housing is nice. I spent 6 years in New Mexico and loved it there. I'm on a special duty now and I really hate the Washington D.C. area.
 
The iPhone 4 has 512MB of RAM and we don't know what the processor is clocked at yet. The incredible has a camera with 8MP vs the iPhone's 5MP but it remains to be seen which will actually perform better.

Spec wise they are very similar, but the iPhone has a higher resolution display. It mostly comes down to what you want in the software, Android has "openness" going for it, but iPhone has smoother and more consistent UI through most all of its apps.
 
Both have 1Ghz chip (though I think A4 is better than Snapdragon), and both have 512Mb of RAM. It will come down to OS optimization and interface ... both at which, IMO, the iPhone 4 wins...
 
I can agree with that but for a 50 yr old man that HATES apple I'd love to show him actual specs of the new iPhone.

Chances are he hates Apple for no apparent reason, or he hates Apple because of the impression he had of their products 12 years ago. I've found with people like that...no matter what you might tell them or try to prove to them, it won't matter.
 
Thanks for your opinion.

I'm going to google around and when I find them I'll post for those who are curious.

I'm stuck in Dover. :(

:rolleyes:

The Incredible has 512MB Ram and 1 Ghz Snapdragon processor. So hardware wise, it's comparable to the iPhone 4. But software wise, the iPhone owns the competition. Nobody but Apple can bring the greatest hardware and software in the world together in the thinnest "smartphone" on Earth. I wouldn't use an Incredible if someone paid me to. My friend has one and it's a PoS. Android was geared to be usable on any phone. iOS 4 was meant for a single piece of hardware for which it shines. Sure the Incredible may have an 8MP camera, but the pictures on iPhone 4's 5 MP camera still look better. Sure the Incredible has an 8MP camera, but pictures on the iPhone 4's 5MP camera still look better! Now that says something. Don't let companies lour you in with impressive "specs".
 
:rolleyes:

The Incredible has 512MB Ram and 1 Ghz Snapdragon processor. So hardware wise, it's comparable to the iPhone 4. But software wise, the iPhone owns the competition. Nobody but Apple can bring the greatest hardware and software in the world together in the thinnest "smartphone" on Earth. I wouldn't use an Incredible if someone paid me to. My friend has one and it's a PoS. Android was geared to be usable on any phone. iOS 4 was meant for a single piece of hardware for which it shines. Sure the Incredible may have an 8MP camera, but the pictures on iPhone 4's 5 MP camera still look better. Sure the Incredible has an 8MP camera, but pictures on the iPhone 4's 5MP camera still look better! Now that says something. Don't let companies lour you in with impressive "specs".
Just remember the world is round and your still trapped in a square. It took 4 generations to get customizable backgrounds and a flash not to mention half assed multitasking.:rolleyes:
 
This issue isn't hardware specs. It's also dependent on software.

Just look at the HTC EVO (with Sprint and with Android) and the HTC HD2 (with tmobile and Windows Mobile 6.5). They are essentially the same identical phone. Same screen, same processor. Almost everything the same. Notice the EVO runs (or appears to run faster than it's HD2 Win mobile cousin).

The HTC Incredible run the same hardware as the HTC Nexus One (aka Google phone). With the exception of a 8MP vs. 5 MP camera. These are essentially the same phone. These phones runs about the same speed because they are the same phone and same OS. The incredible has a little prettier interface because of Sense but it's the same.

But when you look at the iPhone 4. Combine the hardware with iOS software. This iPhone 4 is going to kill it's competitor.
Screen Resolution: iPhone 4 wins over HTC Incredible
Screen size: 3.5 IPS vs. 3.7 OMLED (try looking at the screen in daylight and you will know what I mean).
Processor: A4 (1GZ, probably downclocked to 800 mhz to conserve battery) vs. Snapdragon 1 GZ (runs at full speed but kills battery life).
RAM: 512 MB iphone vs. 512 MB HTC Incredible

App size limitation on phone:
iPhone 4 (limited to 16GB or 32 GB). All Android phones are limited to 256MB app size limit (Android/Google said they are working to have encryption to enable apps to run on the microSD card but so far nothing).

Battery life: No comparison. the iPhone 4 will be superior to the HTC Incredible in terms of battery life

open source vs. closed system (it's your choice, Google vs. Apple).
Cloud synching (google is free, Apple will want you to pay for Mobile ME.)

As for Flash, Adobe is supposely bringing flash to Android (soon....hmmm they have been saying flash on Android almost 2 years since Android launch).
 
Chances are he hates Apple for no apparent reason, or he hates Apple because of the impression he had of their products 12 years ago. I've found with people like that...no matter what you might tell them or try to prove to them, it won't matter.

Trust me, I used to make fun of Apple because people around me were doing the same thing. And yes, we were all Windows users. And yes, we all dealt with blue screens, registry errors, compatibility issues, viruses, IRQ/DMA conflicts, finicky drivers, applications and other poorly written code... yet, we were all poking fun at what we really didn't know about on the other side.

I made the switch in 2007 and honestly struggled with enjoying my newfound freedom while spending a good portion of that time blaming myself that I actually had unfounded prejudice all those years.
 
It's never been about the specs.

http://daringfireball.net/2010/06/first

First to Do It’ vs. ‘First to Do It Right’

Thursday, 17 June 2010

MG Siegler, last week at TechCrunch:

During his keynote address on Monday, Apple CEO Steve Jobs noted that while Apple may not be the first to release features, they do so in a way that’s the best implementation.

Many people view this as absolute ********. But what that implies is that they think Apple simply cannot get features done in time — or that they will not do them for some reason. I have a hard time believing either of those is the case.

Jobs cited the iPhone’s cut, copy, and paste functionality as one example of Apple getting a feature right. I have to agree. For two years, everyone complained (myself included) that Apple didn’t have this functionality. Could Apple have done it sooner? Of course. But would it have been half-baked? Probably. Just look at how it works on other devices — or maybe I should say: look at how poorly it works on other devices compared to the iPhone.

This is the heart of the disconnect. Those who see these claims as “absolute ********” are only going to see Apple as getting worse over the next few years. I got a few objections from readers after writing the following last week, regarding iOS 4 and iPhone 4 as “catching up” to Android:

The existence of a front-facing camera may fairly be considered a “catch up” feature on iPhone 4. But the ability to use the front-facing camera to actually make video calls is first on the iPhone. That’s one difference between Apple and HTC. Apple isn’t going to include a hardware feature just for the sake of having it. They only include hardware for which they have compelling software to complete the experience.

The objections were based on Qik and Fring. But here’s David Pogue on the front-facing-camera-equipped HTC Evo:

After two days of fiddling, downloading and uninstalling apps, manually force-quitting programs and waiting for servers to be upgraded, I finally got video calling to work — sort of. Sometimes there was only audio and a black screen, sometimes only a freeze-frame; at best, the video was blocky and the audio delay absurd.

To make video calling work, you have to install an app yourself: either Fring or Qik. But we never did get Fring to work, and Qik requires people you call to press a Talk button when they want to speak. The whole thing is confusing and, to use the technical term, iffy.

Here’s the test. Take some normal people, where by “normal” I mean people who have never heard of TechCrunch or Daring Fireball. Give them brand new still-in-the-box iPhone 4’s and HTC Evos. Now ask them to make a video call to one another. With the iPhone 4, they’re going to be able to do it. The only thing that’s technically confusing about FaceTime is that it only works via Wi-Fi (I think many people have little understanding of the difference between Wi-Fi and 3G data — at least insofar as why a feature would work over one but not the other). Otherwise, FaceTime is as easy to use as making a regular voice call. There is no such thing as a “FaceTime account” you need to create or log in to. It doesn’t require the installation of any third-party apps. All you need to know is that the iPhone 4 can make video calls, and that the feature is called “FaceTime”. And I’ll bet the little instructional card inside the iPhone 4 box will make that perfectly clear.

How many normal people even know that Qik and Fring exist? Are Android users supposed to install both apps, so they can make video calls to people who’ve only installed one or the other?

It’s not that there’s anything wrong with Qik or Fring in and of themselves. Nor is it to say that Android doesn’t have its own first-to-do-right features, like, say, the ability to dictate speech-to-text in any text field. It’s about the mindset of the companies that made the phones. Do you include the half-baked stuff, or hold it until it’s fully-baked? Apple wasn’t going to include a front-facing camera until they had software that made it useful in an iPhone-caliber way. HTC is happy to include a front-facing camera and leave its utility (and user experience) in the hands of third-party developers.

Android and iPhone fans will read the preceding paragraph very differently. Android fans will read it and say, “Exactly — give us the hardware and let developers figure out what to do with it.” iPhone fans will read it and say, “I can’t wait to get an iPhone 4.”
 
This issue isn't hardware specs. It's also dependent on software.

Just look at the HTC EVO (with Sprint and with Android) and the HTC HD2 (with tmobile and Windows Mobile 6.5). They are essentially the same identical phone. Same screen, same processor. Almost everything the same. Notice the EVO runs (or appears to run faster than it's HD2 Win mobile cousin).

The HTC Incredible run the same hardware as the HTC Nexus One (aka Google phone). With the exception of a 8MP vs. 5 MP camera. These are essentially the same phone. These phones runs about the same speed because they are the same phone and same OS. The incredible has a little prettier interface because of Sense but it's the same.

But when you look at the iPhone 4. Combine the hardware with iOS software. This iPhone 4 is going to kill it's competitor.
Screen Resolution: iPhone 4 wins over HTC Incredible
Screen size: 3.5 IPS vs. 3.7 OMLED (try looking at the screen in daylight and you will know what I mean).
Processor: A4 (1GZ, probably downclocked to 800 mhz to conserve battery) vs. Snapdragon 1 GZ (runs at full speed but kills battery life).
RAM: 512 MB iphone vs. 512 MB HTC Incredible

App size limitation on phone:
iPhone 4 (limited to 16GB or 32 GB). All Android phones are limited to 256MB app size limit (Android/Google said they are working to have encryption to enable apps to run on the microSD card but so far nothing).

Battery life: No comparison. the iPhone 4 will be superior to the HTC Incredible in terms of battery life

open source vs. closed system (it's your choice, Google vs. Apple).
Cloud synching (google is free, Apple will want you to pay for Mobile ME.)

As for Flash, Adobe is supposely bringing flash to Android (soon....hmmm they have been saying flash on Android almost 2 years since Android launch).
You really need to stay up on Android news if you gonna quote specs. The Froyo update allows apps to go onto the SD card of Android phones. The update should be rolling out any day now not to mention flash. Make no mistake about it Apple is very scared of Android and you might be seeing quicker overhauls to iPhones in the future. Apple no doubt has a large app market but how much of that stuff do you really want and how much is stupid B.S.
 
I'm switching to AT&T to get the iPhone, coming from the Incredible. It's an excellent phone; fast, smooth, crisp. But the app store is a deal breaker for me now. I thought I wouldn't mind but after using it for about a month, I know I'm going to be much happier with the new iPhone (I'm familiar with it all after using an iPod touch for two years).
 
iOS 4 was meant for a single piece of hardware for which it shines.

And which piece of hardware is that?

The iPhone 4? The iPad? Older iPhones?

Or do you simply mean that iOS 4 was only meant to run well on the iPhone 4 with its extra memory and CPU and display, and not so well on other iOS devices.

iOS is getting as fragmented as any OS that's used on multiple generations, hardware and displays.
 
Trust me, I used to make fun of Apple because people around me were doing the same thing. And yes, we were all Windows users. And yes, we all dealt with blue screens, registry errors, compatibility issues, viruses, IRQ/DMA conflicts, finicky drivers, applications and other poorly written code... yet, we were all poking fun at what we really didn't know about on the other side.

I made the switch in 2007 and honestly struggled with enjoying my newfound freedom while spending a good portion of that time blaming myself that I actually had unfounded prejudice all those years.

So you're agreeing with me? I was confused for a minute there. I have felt the same way with my switch to the Mac. I still have to use Windows/Windows Server on a regular basis because of my job...but the argument is never ending with the Mac vs PC or iProduct vs anything else. Personally I will only have a conversation with someone if they actually care to listen. A lot of people who want to "debate", just want to yell about the finer points of their (phone, pc, software) and don't really care what you (Apple users) are saying.
 
The Incredible is a nice phone but it still has the frustrations of an unpolished OS. Maybe 2.2 will improve that. A relative has an Incredible because she is tied to Verizon and I played with it for a few hours. It still has the same quirks as my wife's Droid and is not a good experience like the iPhone. Again I use Macs so the iPhone creates a seamless user experience for me.
 
You really need to stay up on Android news if you gonna quote specs. The Froyo update allows apps to go onto the SD card of Android phones. The update should be rolling out any day now not to mention flash. Make no mistake about it Apple is very scared of Android and you might be seeing quicker overhauls to iPhones in the future.

I lol'd...

Why exactly does one need to buy an SD card for large apps. Thats stupid imo..
Plus Flash will be just as bad as it is on a computer or any other phone. Slow, battery draining, CPU HOG.. Hence why Apple didn't put it in the iPhone.
 
And which piece of hardware is that?

The iPhone 4? The iPad? Older iPhones?

Or do you simply mean that iOS 4 was only meant to run well on the iPhone 4 with its extra memory and CPU and display, and not so well on other iOS devices.

iOS is getting as fragmented as any OS that's used on multiple generations, hardware and displays.

The iPhone 4. That is the device it was designed to run on. Sure it will run on other devices but it won't shine as much as it will on the iPhone 4 :cool:
 
I lol'd...

Why exactly does one need to buy an SD card for large apps. Thats stupid imo..
Plus Flash will be just as bad as it is on a computer or any other phone. Slow, battery draining, CPU HOG.. Hence why Apple didn't put it in the iPhone.
Why is one not able to add a second battery or not be able to buy the sd card he needs. Nobody said anything about large apps. I said if you fill up phone memory apps can then be put on the sd card. Stupid is being restricted to in-phone memory because that is the way Steve says you need it.
 
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