iPhone 4S almost dead last in Screen-to-body size ratio.

[cfedu]

Personal insults aside, you just proved my point further.

I showed one variable that the graph doesn't take into account and how it makes it useless, you've pointed out a few others.

Once again, the graph is useless.

The larger screen size favors droid phones.
The smaller apect ratio favors the iPhone.

That fact that the iPhone does have a thicker bezel does what? It has no bearing on the graph.

A 4" phone with a 4:1 aspect ratio would have a higher bezel to screen size ratio that an iPhone. You made an example changing 1 variable while the other 2 variable are different. You also had an order of magnitude difference in the example. Let me know when a 40" droid phone come out.

Would the results be skewed against blackberry because they have smaller screen or would it be because the have a massive keyboard built in. A blackberry is so big because is has a small screen.

Lol

 

[slapple]

They could definitely improve this by getting rid of the physical home button.

 

[tbayrgs]

I'm so glad i saw this post, thanks

Scores of friends, aquaintences , business contacts, family members, and fellow satarists frequently ask me my advice on buying their next phone. Hands down, the number one thing they ask me about is screen to body size ratio. Its a huge concern for them and probably one of the number one pivot factors on whether they buy an iPhone or something from Apple's competition.

I appreciate someone doing the math for me.

Incidentally, many of them report that when they bring this very important factor up at their local carrier store while out phone shopping, the responses they get from the retail staff are looks of bewilderment, nervousness, attempts at deflection, (hey ...did you see the new Nokia windows phone? its awesome dude!), and generally lacking in proportional knowledge. Kind of a sad commentary on the training of phone store staff...in my opinion anyways.

Voice of reason.

 

[tbayrgs]

Are you serious? You can't be. No one said Apple needed to do anything.

Well, as you either skipped over the OP or reading comprehension escapes you, let me help you out here. The first line of the OP:

This is something Apple seriously needs to update.

The implication of this statement is unless Apple does something about this, they will have a serious problem.
Let me help you with the next part of your statement as well.

What do sales have to do with the size of the bezel or the iPhone not taking efficient use of real estate on the front? last time I checked the iPhone was the only device to run iOS. Do sales of the iPhone make the screen bigger?

Sales have nothing to do with the size of the bezel but they do show that contrary to the OP's assertion, people obviously don't care too much how big the screen is our how much bezel there is as it's still selling better than any phone on this list. I'll remind you again since you might have forgotten but the OP said:

This is something Apple seriously needs to update.

And yes, the iPhone is the only device to run iOS. If screen mattered more than user experience, it wouldn't sell like it does. Point is, people care more about the user experience than the current size of the screen.

Who said screen size or Bezel has anything to do with how good the phone is? Most of the people who own an iPhone know how good it is that statement has nothing to do with the OP's comments. I love my for 4S but wish it had a bigger screen how hard is that to understand?

The OP didn't say, I wish the iPhone made better use of the screen real estate. He said:

This is something Apple seriously needs to update.

NEEDS implies something completely different than 'hopes' or 'wish'

The iPhone's sales or how bad other phones are and whatever else has nothing to do with the phone using the amount of real estate on the front.

According to the OP, it certainly does. This is something Apple needs to change.

You're implying that the OP was saying the iphone was bad because it did not maximize the real estate on the front of the device. Or other devices were better because they did. He simply stated that the iphone is not taking advantage of realestate on the front of the device. Plain and simple.

Wow, I guess we need to do this one more time:

This is something Apple seriously needs to update.

I'm not disagreeing with you in that we hope for both larger or better proportioned screen. All I'm saying is the OP DID imply that something was wrong with the iPhone, specifically the screen, and provided a graph to try to prove his point. My rebuttal was simply that the general public doesn't seem to agree with him (and thus, the sales reference).

 

[adnbek]

Agreed.

IMO the iPhone is fine where it's at right now but I can blindly trust Apple to make the right decisions for me going forward.

Fixed. 1984 anyone?

 

[PNutts]

Well, as you either skipped over the OP or reading comprehension escapes you, let me help you out here. The first line of the OP: <snip>

Hilareous! Great post.

 

[stevelam]

This thread is by far the dumbest and most pathetic thing I've read today. Thanks.

 

[ChrisTX]

There's a lot of dead space on the front of the iPhone. However, the iPhone 4/S is still the most beautifully designed phone out there. With that being said, I wouldn't call this graph useless, but I'd say the screen to body size ratio is probably pointless to most people.

 

[iLearnColors]

Thank you for this post. I hope apple will change the screen to be better.

Best regards

 

[robanga]

McDonald's sells more hamburgers too.

I think the cheeseburger far outsells the hamburger now, and its condiment to meat ratio is way different (well if you count cheese as a condiment)

 

[iamthedudeman]

Well, as you either skipped over the OP or reading comprehension escapes you, let me help you out here. The first line of the OP:

My reading comprehension is fine. It seems your's is not. You implied that the OP was saying to change the design in regard to sales. Were you not? You keep mentioning 'sales'. Change the design to better 'sales'. He never said anything like that. He said it needed updated. No where did it say 'change the design in regard to sales'. Or even change the design of the phone just for sales.

You know exactly what I meant. Either that or you're to 'brainwashed' to know the difference between the two. Or too.............forget it.

The implication of this statement is unless Apple does something about this, they will have a serious problem.
Let me help you with the next part of your statement as well.



Really? The problem with people like yourself who are isheep is that you 'imply' everything. He said they simply need to update the front of the phone.Period. Makes sense to me. Since it has not been updated since it's inception five years ago. Never did he say they would have a serious problem. You did!

Sales have nothing to do with the size of the bezel but they do show that contrary to the OP's assertion, people obviously don't care too much how big the screen is our how much bezel there is as it's still selling better than any phone on this list. I'll remind you again since you might have forgotten but the OP said:

Lets see here. Now you know his assertion? You know he meant sales? You know he meant a redesign? Really? I guess you know everything.

You know for a fact that people don't care how big the screen is? Wow. You are good. Nor do they care how big the bezel is? How would you know this? You're assuming again. He simply stated that the phone has wasted space on the front of the phone, and Apple "needs to update this'.

Never mentioned sales, never mentioned a 'redesign. Simply they need to either make the phone smaller or give it a bigger screen was his implication. No more no less. Simply get rid of the wasted space on the front of the phone. The phone has not been updated design wise in almost two years. It was thin two years ago. So he does have a point.

It seems this is hard for you to understand.

And yes, the iPhone is the only device to run iOS. If screen mattered more than user experience, it wouldn't sell like it does. Point is, people care more about the user experience than the current size of the screen.

I said this already sherlock.

The OP didn't say, I wish the iPhone made better use of the screen real estate. He said:


Hahaa. Wow. Really. It must be sales. Haaaahaha.

Does reading comprehension escape you?

He posted a chart on usage and utilzation of front screen realestate. Basically how much of the front of the phone is not being taken advantage of.

Here let me help you in case you forgot:

The title of the graph: Screen area as a % of body area'

And you talk about reading comprehension. Lol.

Remember reading comprehension. Didn't you say that?

From the OP:

"the phone just looks so dated with all that wasted space"

And you respond with"

The OP didn't say, I wish the iPhone made better use of the screen real estate. He said:

Really? You get sales and redesign from the above statement? Reading comprehension anyone?

According to the OP, it certainly does. This is something Apple needs to change.

Only you would think this. With the above mentioned quote, we do not need to speculate why.

Wow, I guess we need to do this one more time:

Why yes we do.

The OP didn't say, I wish the iPhone made better use of the screen real estate. He said:

I'm not disagreeing with you in that we hope for both larger or better proportioned screen. All I'm saying is the OP DID imply that something was wrong with the iPhone, specifically the screen, and provided a graph to try to prove his point. My rebuttal was simply that the general public doesn't seem to agree with him (and thus, the sales reference).

How does the general public 'not agree with him' when the iphone is the only iOS device avail. currently? How do 'sales' have anything to do with it. You even said that the user experience matters, not the design of the phone, did you not? Wouldnt someone who want the user experience of iOS buy the iphone regardless of screen size? Even if they want a bigger screen such as me and yourself?

If you want a iphone do you have a choice of how big the screen is? No you do not.

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Hilareous! Great post.

Yes it is quite funny. Thanks.

The OP didn't say, I wish the iPhone made better use of the screen real estate. He said:

Notice the title of the graph.

And it's hilarious Not Hilareous.

 

[PNutts]

And it's hilarious Not Hilareous.

lol - I knew that didn't look right and I opened Google to check, but a kid started screaming so I had to bail and risk it. I think autocorrect has made me stupiderer.

 

[tbayrgs]

Well, as you either skipped over the OP or reading comprehension escapes you, let me help you out here. The first line of the OP:

My reading comprehension is fine. ...., Blah, Blah, Blah,

You know what, not worth my time trying to rephrase this yet again to a level that you may understand but here goes...

The OP stated (not implied) Apple NEEDS (click on the link, you actually may learn something) to change something and attempted to reinforce his point with some statistics. If a NEED is not met, there's a consequence (i.e. You need water to live, without it, you die). What happens if Apple doesn't meet this NEED? Nothing, IMO. I replied that I don't think Apple believes they NEED to change anything and prove my statement with another reference (the evil SALES reference). That's it--you're reading FAR more into it that was there. I simply took the work NEED at face value.

But, you know what, I'll just agree to disagree and move on as we've already derailed the OP's conversation far enough.

 

[terraphantm]

As has been stated (a few times), it explains nothing in regards to how the area is used and it strongly favors larger screen sizes... something everyone already knows that the iPhone is lacking in.

How does it favor larger screen sizes? It's a ratio - the actual screen size is irrelevant. It only favors phones with larger screens because the other manufacturers use their available space more efficiently.

I think the main thing to take out of this is that apple can conceivably increase the screen size without increasing the size of the phone. There is a limit obviously, but it's well above wha Apple's achieved.

 

[cyks]

How does it favor larger screen sizes? It's a ratio - the actual screen size is irrelevant. It only favors phones with larger screens because the other manufacturers use their available space more efficiently.

I think the main thing to take out of this is that apple can conceivably increase the screen size without increasing the size of the phone. There is a limit obviously, but it's well above wha Apple's achieved.

It favors larger screens because (typically) the bezel remains about the same regardless of how big or small a screen gets. To keep the ratio about the same as the iPhone, the Note could have (roughly) a full centimeter surrounding encompassing the screen.