If you would like to have your iphone 4s on 10/7, better go to the store early 'cause I just found out from Verizon that anyone who ordered an iPhone 4s on 10/7, will get it on 10/21. They don't ship out until 10/14, Apple failed to mention that. I saw it for myself on the Verizon computer in the store just now, when I checked on my order. It said "effective on on 10/7 6pm, all orders will arrive on 10/21." So, this is a douchey move from Apple, but it doesn' suprise me, getting our hoped up and being disappointed, it's normal of Apple. As far as the people who have an estimated delivery date of 10/12, I have no idea how they have that 'cause the guy at Verizon showed me his email directly from Apple that said all orders wll arrive on 10/21.