iPhone 5 photos not full-size?

[Mercenary]

I don't get that, Instagram automatically crops photos to 1x1. No need for the camera app to do so for me.

But the camera app does HDR, instagram doesnt. Instagram takes an age to focus and is just pure crap, the camera app is awesome.

Why are they not 16:9? Because it would mean cropping the image and they then wouldnt be 8mp, they would be less.

Your thinking to make it 16:9 you add extra to the sides. But it doesnt work like that. It zooms in and takes it off the top and bottom. Why? Thats just how these things work. It's how it does the video because its a square sensor. not rectangle.

And why do industry standards matter? Because they are standards, cant have people running around making up their own rules all the time. Why do we not have pictures which are boobie shaped? That would be awesome?

 

[haruhiko]

A good reason for the iPhone 6 screen having a 4:3 aspect ratio rather the longer screen it has now.

then people will complain about the two black bars that appear when they play videos.

 

[Merkie]

But the camera app does HDR, instagram doesnt. Instagram takes an age to focus and is just pure crap, the camera app is awesome.

Ofcourse, but 4:3 photos are automatically cropped by Instagram. What is the benefit of taking 1x1 photos with the camera app? Please tell me. I see none.

Why are they not 16:9? Because it would mean cropping the image and they then wouldnt be 8mp, they would be less.

Your thinking to make it 16:9 you add extra to the sides. But it doesnt work like that. It zooms in and takes it off the top and bottom. Why? Thats just how these things work. It's how it does the video because its a square sensor. not rectangle.

I know how it works. But suprise, the 1x1 feature doesn't add pixels to the photo as well, 1x1 photos aren't 8MP either. So if we're going down that road, why not add a (very useful) 16:9 option instead of the useless 1x1?

 

[Valkyre]

Its true that we are dealing with industry standards. But photos do look horrible in iphone 5/5c/5s...

The wierd thing is that apple could fix this easily in numerous ways (but they havent).

For example why not implement a feature that by taping twice over a photo it doesnt zoom in so much and instead it automatically adjust the photo in the screen, even by cropping around the edges . (im am not saying that photos should be permanetly cropped or saved that way, just that when you tap twice they adjust nicely on the screen instead of full zooming in)

 

[TC03]

Why are they not 16:9? Because it would mean cropping the image and they then wouldnt be 8mp, they would be less.

Your thinking to make it 16:9 you add extra to the sides. But it doesnt work like that. It zooms in and takes it off the top and bottom. Why? Thats just how these things work. It's how it does the video because its a square sensor. not rectangle.

And you think this is different than for 1:1 photos?

Fyi, the sensor is not square, it's 4:3.

 

[Mercenary]

And you think this is different than for 1:1 photos?

Fyi, the sensor is not square, it's 4:3.

Why are we talking about 1:1 photos? The guys original question was about full screen photos.

The fact of the matter is this. It doesnt matter, youll only shoot it portrait anyway so its going to look **** no matter what you do

 

[Merkie]

Why are we talking about 1:1 photos? The guys original question was about full screen photos.

The fact of the matter is this. It doesnt matter, youll only shoot it portrait anyway so its going to look **** no matter what you do

We're talking 1:1 photos because I brought it up.

Apple added a feature that allows for partial usage of the camera's sensor so that you'll be able to take 1:1 photos, which is useless because these images still don't fit the iPhone's screen and Instagram already crops photos anyway. Conclusion: useless feature.

Counter proposal: why not add a 16:9 feature to the camera? It's actually used quite a lot by cameras that are not an iPhone and actually fills the iPhone's screen. Also it looks good. Conclusion: incredibly useful feature.

So I asked in this thread: why did Apple add a useless 1:1 feature and left out a useful 16:9 feature?

 

[LV426]

I don't get that, Instagram automatically crops photos to 1x1. No need for the camera app to do so for me.

Unless you actually want to see the photo on your phone, rather than imagining what it will be liked cropped to a square.

 

[Merkie]

Unless you actually want to see the photo on your phone, rather than imagining what it will be liked cropped to a square.

Ok, perhaps that's true, but Instagram allows you to move the picture so you can actually choose the crop after the photo has been taken (and after careful examination). The benefit of taking 1x1 photos are so incredibly small that I don't get why it deserves its own photo shooting mode. Not very Apple imo.

 

[ftaok]

Ok, perhaps that's true, but Instagram allows you to move the picture so you can actually choose the crop after the photo has been taken (and after careful examination). The benefit of taking 1x1 photos are so incredibly small that I don't get why it deserves its own photo shooting mode. Not very Apple imo.

The square format mode on the iPhone was probably added due to the popularity of Instagram. However, it's not limited to just Instagram.

The square format, to me, looks "classier". It's the ratio that is used with Medium Format film, which is what wedding photographers use to use back in the day. I like the square format.

Also, getting back to the iPhone's inclusion of the square format ... here's a hypothetical.

Have you ever taken a photo in the standard 3:2 format and decided to crop it to another format? Of course you have. Did you ever run into the problem where there's no way to crop the photo without losing critical parts of the photo due to how you framed the shot when you originally shot? I know I have.

To address this, having a setting to shoot in square format "natively" allows me to frame the shot in my intended format without having to think about "will I get everyone in the shot".

ft

 

[Merkie]

The square format mode on the iPhone was probably added due to the popularity of Instagram. However, it's not limited to just Instagram.

The square format, to me, looks "classier". It's the ratio that is used with Medium Format film, which is what wedding photographers use to use back in the day. I like the square format.

Also, getting back to the iPhone's inclusion of the square format ... here's a hypothetical.

Have you ever taken a photo in the standard 3:2 format and decided to crop it to another format? Of course you have. Did you ever run into the problem where there's no way to crop the photo without losing critical parts of the photo due to how you framed the shot when you originally shot? I know I have.

To address this, having a setting to shoot in square format "natively" allows me to frame the shot in my intended format without having to think about "will I get everyone in the shot".

ft

Your reasoning is solid, but I just think 16:9 is more useful than 1:1. No more black bars when showing your photos!

 

[ftaok]

Your reasoning is solid, but I just think 16:9 is more useful than 1:1. No more black bars when showing your photos!

I get it. I don't see why 16:9 isn't available as a preset.

I honestly think that this is a holdover from Steve Jobs. He was an avid photographer and probably hated 16:9 for photos. I can't say that I don't agree, but I get that some folks like 16:9 ... probably about the same that would use 1:1. (just to bash on 16:9 photos some more ... to me, they look like someone captured a frame out of a video and not an actual photo. If I go wide, I go panoramic like 3:1 or so)

Note that the above is just a guess based on what I've read about Jobs. I am in no way implying that I know anything about the inner feelings and thoughts about Jobs.

 

[Merkie]

I get it. I don't see why 16:9 isn't available as a preset.

I honestly think that this is a holdover from Steve Jobs. He was an avid photographer and probably hated 16:9 for photos. I can't say that I don't agree, but I get that some folks like 16:9 ... probably about the same that would use 1:1. (just to bash on 16:9 photos some more ... to me, they look like someone captured a frame out of a video and not an actual photo. If I go wide, I go panoramic like 3:1 or so)

I'm a fan of 16:9 photos because:
- All TV's are 16:9
- All computer screens are 16:9
- All phone screens are 16:9

So basically the three primary ways to show photos are 16:9. Also I think landscape photos look better in 16:9 than 4:3 because you can crop out a lot of irrelevant sky, thereby focussing more on the actual content of the photo.

Note that the above is just a guess based on what I've read about Jobs. I am in no way implying that I know anything about the inner feelings and thoughts about Jobs.

I'm very disappointed .

 

[ftaok]

I'm a fan of 16:9 photos because:
- All TV's are 16:9
- All computer screens are 16:9
- All phone screens are 16:9

So basically the three primary ways to show photos are 16:9. Also I think landscape photos look better in 16:9 than 4:3 because you can crop out a lot of irrelevant sky, thereby focussing more on the actual content of the photo.

It's absolutely a matter of preference, so no one is wrong. But I will say that traditionally, photos are not viewed on a screen. They are printed and hung on a wall. 16x9 frames are not standard and would have to be built custom. Unless you take a standard frame and cut a custom mat to fit the 16x9 photo.

I guess as more and more old people (like me) die, the younger generation may find printing and hanging to be the stuff of dinosaurs. So maybe in a few years, 16x9 will be more "standard" for photos and you'll get your wish.

But I will say that us old folks won't give up without a fight.

 

[sumsingwong]

iPhone 5 photos not full-size?

I'm a fan of 16:9 photos because:
- All TV's are 16:9
- All computer screens are 16:9
- All phone screens are 16:9

So basically the three primary ways to show photos are 16:9. Also I think landscape photos look better in 16:9 than 4:3 because you can crop out a lot of irrelevant sky, thereby focussing more on the actual content of the photo.
I'm very disappointed .

My MacBook Pro doesn't have a 16:9 display. 16:9 is a motion picture format.

I have a GS4 and the 16:9 option cuts off the top and bottom of the scene. Why would you want that? At least with 4:3, you can choose how much to crop out. With a 16:9 photo, you don't have that option.

These are samples from my GS4;

16:9

4:3

 

[LV426]

I'm a fan of 16:9 photos because:
- All TV's are 16:9
- All computer screens are 16:9
- All phone screens are 16:9

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You might be better off complaining that the phone doesn't have a 3:2 aspect ratio preset. This is the ratio that you typically find in high-end professional DSLR cameras.

 

[beegie]

Question from a non-photographer, still using a 3Gs:

Re: Photos saved FROM the internet (not photos "taken" w/any cameras on any phones):

Will any/all pics saved from the internet to a 5/5c/5s now have black bars?

And when using such "internet pics" for a blog post, I'd have to be forever cropping off black bars first? (to make them look normal/no black bars)?

Please tell me what everyone is describing does not apply to pics saved from the internet. Pleasssse.

(& How about on the 4s?)

 

[sumsingwong]

Question from a non-photographer, still using a 3Gs:

Re: Photos saved FROM the internet (not photos "taken" w/any cameras on any phones):

Will any/all pics saved from the internet to a 5/5c/5s now have black bars?

And when using such "internet pics" for a blog post, I'd have to be forever cropping off black bars first? (to make them look normal/no black bars)?

Please tell me what everyone is describing does not apply to pics saved from the internet. Pleasssse.

(& How about on the 4s?)

No

 

[MLAM]

If you want the picture in 16:9 then go to the image -> edit -> crop -> 16:9 = DONE

It would achieve what a "16:9 Option" would do if there was one as per demonstrated by sumsingwong

 

[sumsingwong]

iPhone 5 photos not full-size?

If you want the picture in 16:9 then go to the image -> edit -> crop -> 16:9 = DONE

It would achieve what a "16:9 Option" would do if there was one as per demonstrated by sumsingwong

But that's too many steps! lol

 

[beegie]

No

No as in, "No, internet pics will NOT have black bars" - ?

(3Gs here, as stated earlier; old ios does not do what this thread describes, no cropping built-in; hence the Qs before buying newer phone.)

 

[sumsingwong]

iPhone 5 photos not full-size?

No as in, "No, internet pics will NOT have black bars" - ?

(3Gs here, as stated earlier; old ios does not do what this thread describes, no cropping built-in; hence the Qs before buying newer phone.)

If the actual image has black bars, you will have to crop them out. If the image doesn't have black bars, you won't have to do any cropping out. The dimension of the display as well as the image determines whether you will see "pillar boxing" or "letterboxing".

 

[thekb]

It's absolutely a matter of preference, so no one is wrong. But I will say that traditionally, photos are not viewed on a screen. They are printed and hung on a wall.

"Traditionally" people don't carry telephones in their pockets and take pictures with them. Traditions sometimes change.

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You might be better off complaining that the phone doesn't have a 3:2 aspect ratio preset. This is the ratio that you typically find in high-end professional DSLR cameras.

True, only MOST TV's, computer screens and phone screens are 16x9. Frankly, I prefer a taller computer screen, but again, for a company that is trying to sell convergence between the phones and TV's with Airplay, it doesn't make sense to omit a 16x9 option -- that traditionalists are free to ignore.

And if someone wants to hang their hat on photography "standards", then there is absolutely no reason not to include 3 x 2 option as well.

Honestly, it would probably take them all of 10 minutes to change the camera app to include these options. They just don't think you need it, so they ain't gonna give it to you.

Yes, we can crop individual pictures, but if I have taken 85 pictures on a family outing and want to show them on the TV, I have to spend 1.5 hours cropping first??

 

[Merkie]

All I'm saying is that if a 1:1 preset is included, it makes even more sense to include a 16:9 preset.

 

[beegie]

Lol, I just now slowly read your ID. Sumsing is definitely wong & it's all coming out of Apple-HQ.

Thanks much for the follow-up. I have approx. 10,000 pics on this old 3Gs workhorse, spread across 17 camera rolls (via Roll Swap app, brilliant "mission critical app" for old phone that I think Apple axed at some point in later years) & no black bars on any of those numerous pics. Hoped they wouldn't "grow black bars" when transferring everything to upcoming newer phone, but I see that is not a concern per your reply. Good!

If the actual image has black bars, you will have to crop them out. If the image doesn't have black bars, you won't have to do any cropping out. The dimension of the display as well as the image determines whether you will see "pillar boxing" or "letterboxing".