What should be more worrisome than Android is the fact that Apple is starting to lose to WP8 in some of Europe's biggest market. Already happened in Italy and France is next.
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iPhone 5c Broadens Apple's Customer Base, but Android Continues to Lead in Smartphones
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You are absolutely right, and guess what is Nokia best seller ? Lumia 520, a very cheap smartphone (and it is way better than most of the android crapware out there).
But fandroids will always deny that, keep saying that users are switching because android is so superior ....
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iphones are 200 just like the flagship android phones.
Not in the rest of the World ... Here you can find a S4 for 499 while an iPhone 5s costs 729
So how does Apple's market share fall if their share of all phones has increased?
One reason for this could possibly be phones like the Nokia Lumia 520 being £79.99 in the UK, for example.
Not everyone has the funds (or needs) for iPhones etc; they might just want a smartphone without the price tag some of the premium brands command.
I'm not going to jump on the whole "my phone is better than yours" bandwagon but having had a play with several models in my local Carphone Warehouse here in Derby I've yet to be blown away by the competition....
It would be interesting ...
Apple competes anyway ? Kudos to them, but please don't speak about share comparing 120 android phones with 800 iPhones.
I have found the arguments about Android supremacy based on market share numbers to be interesting, but one thing stands out. It is Samsung that is having a "crisis management" meeting of its top executives, and spending $14 billion on advertising to try and keep up some demand for their phones, not Apple. Seems like Tim and the gang likely know exactly what they are doing.
Winning or tied with Samsung but I dont think that how much profits make both of them is relevant to costumers
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Did you really used the term "some demand" talking about how many smartphones does Samsung sell?
Actually the need to justify is on the other side, since iPhone 5s is the best selling iPhone ever ...
The Ferrari analogy is wrong.
Apple is no Ferrari, sorry.
While Ferrari will get you from point a to b in style and super speed Toyota will not do it, that true.
but sorry to say that android os can get you from point a to b even better, with much more flexibility, and much more style.
I like apple stuff, but painting the ios in white all over doesn't make it better.
Also while Ferrari and Toyota doesn't compete on the same market, google and apple does.
Did you realize you are the only one on this forum speaking about xiaomi as it is a major competitor on the world market ?
That is definitely putting a positive spin at the disappointing y/y results for iOS
But with iOS7's, as well as the new hardware's mid Sep release dates, these figures are hardly surprising.
C/Q4-2012 and 1-2013 will likely put them over those '3 m/e Oct 2012' figures, in most markets.
Your note 2 is what ???
According to MY point of view, your Note 2 isn't even a smartphone since it's just a huge device I surely don't want to carry around ...
These are all feature phones. While you *could* go on the web and technically run an app or two, the reality is no one does and that's why these are not smartphones, but cheap android feature phones...
http://www.google.com/imgres?client...nh=193&tbnw=111&start=61&ndsp=33&tx=96&ty=100
http://www.google.com/imgres?start=...&page=5&tbnh=157&tbnw=193&ndsp=33&tx=56&ty=98
http://www.google.com/imgres?start=...&page=8&tbnh=168&tbnw=212&ndsp=35&tx=93&ty=83
http://www.google.com/imgres?start=...page=9&tbnh=167&tbnw=225&ndsp=34&tx=127&ty=90
http://www.google.com/imgres?start=...age=12&tbnh=160&tbnw=235&ndsp=32&tx=104&ty=89
These simply are not in the class of what we call "Smart Phones" and should not be compared to iPhone, Galaxy, Lumia, HTC-One, etc.
Don't want to bother with your entire list, but these two are especially funny, considering it is widely acknowledged that Google Maps are actually better on iOS right now, and of course iOS has a bunch of mapping choices that Android doesn't. And yes, there is a Google Now app on iOS along with all the other Google apps.
If this is your idea of innovation, Android is in deep, deep doodoo.
When did I ever claim that? Still I'm sure any other company would love to dominate the US market.
Apple are not remotely competitive on price. They have nothing in the low and mid tier price points. Selling only premium phones was fine when the market was young and Android was crap but now Google have caught up and there are plenty of people upgrading their old dumb phones to smart phones but don't want to pay through the nose for a contract phone. These people aren't going to pay £470 for an iPhone 5C, they're going to buy a Lumia 520 or a Galaxy Mini.
On top of this with cheap Android tablets gaining momentum Apple have to respond to the market. If this trend continues for another 2-3 years iOS as an app ecosystem will be in the toilet. To be overtaken by Windows Phone in any major territory is an embarrassment.
On top of this with cheap Android tablets gaining momentum Apple have to respond to the market. If this trend continues for another 2-3 years iOS as an app ecosystem will be in the toilet. To be overtaken by Windows Phone in any major territory is an embarrassment.
Are you aware that you have linked to smartphones that are not Android, some from 2010 and 2011?
Can you just link one Android phone that it is not an smartphone?
Do you consider the original iPhone an smartphone?
Why not? They are in the same game, Apple just targets a different buyer which will be a smaller market than the less expensive phones.
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I'm not familiar with those, but your the second person who has mentioned Xiaomi, so I think I'll do a bit of reading about those. Is it possible to get any of those in the US?
The amount of mis-information here is really bad.
1) APPLE has LOST market share over the last year
-BUT-
2) APPLE has sold MORE IPhones this year than last, about 25% more.
How is this possible? Because Market share DOES NOT DIRECTLY EQUATE to units sold. Apple's share has decrease even while selling MORE PHONES because the other brands have also sold MORE phones as well, causing the TOTAL amount of smartphones sales to INCREASE, in this current market EVERYONE COULD gain sales year over year.
So, given this decrease in market share, what BAD effects can Apple expect?
Well, their sales are UP, and so is their profit. They STILL make more profit selling mobile devices than any other company (and in some timeframes more than ALL other companies combined)
Now, there is some real concern about "relevance" in relation to app and accessory availability. HOWEVER, this is NOT directly related to market share either, and, SO FAR, apple is in really good shape here. For several reasons:
1) Higher market share of Handsets does not equate to higher market share in later purchases, i.e. accessories and apps. On average Apple users buy more apps than Android users.
Ex. Toyota sells far more Camry's than Ford sells Mustangs, but there are FAR more accessories available for Mustangs, because buyers of Mustangs are more likely to purchase accessories for their car.
2) Fragmentation; For app developers/accessory Manufacturers, Fragmentation affects these companies choice of platform to develop for:
Ex. Develop ONE app for IOS and you can reach nearly ALL of the Iphone install base. Develop ONE app for android, and depending on the specifics of the app, you may only reach 25% of androids install Base. THEN couple that with the fact that, on average, android users are FAR less likely to purchase apps, and you could sell SIGNIFICANLY less on android than on IOS, OR you have to develop multiple versions for the multiple versions of android and differing handsets, incurring higher development costs.
The things Apple HAS to worry about are:
1) Keeping PROFITS up, and idealy increasing them.
2) Keeping relevent enough to keep a thriving app/accessory environment so as to not hurt #1, Profits.
3) Market share, only as it AFFECTS #1, and #2.
1) APPLE has LOST market share over the last year
-BUT-
2) APPLE has sold MORE IPhones this year than last, about 25% more.
How is this possible? Because Market share DOES NOT DIRECTLY EQUATE to units sold. Apple's share has decrease even while selling MORE PHONES because the other brands have also sold MORE phones as well, causing the TOTAL amount of smartphones sales to INCREASE, in this current market EVERYONE COULD gain sales year over year.
So, given this decrease in market share, what BAD effects can Apple expect?
Well, their sales are UP, and so is their profit. They STILL make more profit selling mobile devices than any other company (and in some timeframes more than ALL other companies combined)
Now, there is some real concern about "relevance" in relation to app and accessory availability. HOWEVER, this is NOT directly related to market share either, and, SO FAR, apple is in really good shape here. For several reasons:
1) Higher market share of Handsets does not equate to higher market share in later purchases, i.e. accessories and apps. On average Apple users buy more apps than Android users.
Ex. Toyota sells far more Camry's than Ford sells Mustangs, but there are FAR more accessories available for Mustangs, because buyers of Mustangs are more likely to purchase accessories for their car.
2) Fragmentation; For app developers/accessory Manufacturers, Fragmentation affects these companies choice of platform to develop for:
Ex. Develop ONE app for IOS and you can reach nearly ALL of the Iphone install base. Develop ONE app for android, and depending on the specifics of the app, you may only reach 25% of androids install Base. THEN couple that with the fact that, on average, android users are FAR less likely to purchase apps, and you could sell SIGNIFICANLY less on android than on IOS, OR you have to develop multiple versions for the multiple versions of android and differing handsets, incurring higher development costs.
The things Apple HAS to worry about are:
1) Keeping PROFITS up, and idealy increasing them.
2) Keeping relevent enough to keep a thriving app/accessory environment so as to not hurt #1, Profits.
3) Market share, only as it AFFECTS #1, and #2.
Yes! It is Mac vs Windows again!
And how did that turn out? Apple is still selling the Mac after 30 years and dominates the lucrative high-end computer market. (that's exactly what Apple wanted)
Meanwhile... huge PC makers like HP and Dell were actually toying around with the idea of leaving the consumer PC market because there's no money in it anymore. Cheap PCs have driven down the value of Windows machines so low... that it's barely a viable business. (that's NOT what those companies wanted)
"Windows" is a commodity product... companies are basically selling the same thing as a dozen other companies. That's a scary place to be.
And we're seeing the same thing happen in smartphones.
There are dozens of manufacturers of a product called "Android phone" so it's tough to make any headway.
So yes... iOS vs Android is exactly like Mac vs Windows. And once again... Apple continues to sell more than enough products to stay in business... while the rest of the industry is struggling in the race to the bottom.