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iPhone 5S - 4K video recording?

roxics

roxics

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I seriously doubt it. But I would love to see the 5S sport 4K video recording. For starters that's a feature that other smartphones don't have right now. H.265 (which is likely to be the recording format) was already ratified earlier this year. Apple pushed H.264 pretty hard when it first came out, so seeing them do it for H.265 is not a huge leap. Especially since they own some stake in it. So it may be possible there is some new hardware encoding/decoding built into the new chipset.

Plus the camera itself, 4K is 8 megapixel video. Although it would probably require a new sensor, we know Apple is going to be putting in a new sensor anyway. So even if they just stick with a new 8MP sensor rather than go higher (which would be smart IMO) they can always sell it based on the 4K video resolution rather than increased photo resolution.

The only thing I can see as being an issue with 4K video would be the lack of displays. It would certainly look great on their retina displays, but for everyone else they would need to downrez the video to 1080p. That's an extra step. But 1080p from 4K native will look better than native 1080p.
 
Your right it sounds great, but man you would fill a 32gb iPhone so fast, and that's compressed:) Even with h.265 forget about it, I just don't want to even think about it:eek:

Now it's like, what 180mb per minute and they are adding 120fps feature, so even that's going to really eat up more space.

In the end 60fps is what I want, that's just fine, 1080p, forget 4k until I can have a crystal memory chip that holds 1tb on a phone.
 
The reason I don't see Apple doing this is because the average user will get no benefit from it. It will still be a few years before 4k televisions become the standard, if they ever do. I say ever because 4K just isn't a big enough leap from standard 1080p for most people to abandon current HD technology. Of course, this is all my opinion.

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DBZmusicboy01 said:
Even with 32GB standard
One minute of 4K recording is about 230MB per minute
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Super. That means the base model will be 64gb, right? :D
 
Who has a 4k display? Not your phone, not your TV so there is zero point in offering it.

Some vendor will, they will use it as a selling point where the average user buys it for the 4k video but then has no idea how to play back at those resolutions.
 
Apple still doesn't sell HD music videos. It was just last year that iTunes videos became 1080p. The only time I have seen 4K mentioned by Apple was in discussion of the Mac Pro, which hasn't been released yet and will certainly cost a bajillion dollars.

Until an Apple TV exists that can output 4K video, you won't see it. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple hasn't released its own TV yet because it's trying to make affordable 4K sets, but there is NO WAY the 5S will have 4K recording.

Plus, as someone mentioned, you might get about 5 seconds of video. With my 4S, I was able to record 30 minutes of 1080p video when I had 4GB of free space. Soooooo no.
 
roxics said:
But 1080p from 4K native will look better than native 1080p.
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Not necessarily. You're just assuming that to be the case. Resolution is just resolution. Image quality is affected by much more than just resolution (precisely why you can't compare cameras on MP alone).
 
People tend to forget that the iPhone 5S is (now get this) "a PHONE". lol
4K video on a phone? Really?
Think about that for a moment. The video chipset, compression format, etc. All those things take up physical space. Not to mention how much drive space do you think a 30 second video will take up?

No, this is a phone with other features. Not a video camera with a phone.

I'm not trying to be snarky, but I don't think this idea from the OP was thought through before posting.
 
iceterminal said:
People tend to forget that the iPhone 5S is (now get this) "a PHONE". lol
4K video on a phone? Really?
Think about that for a moment. The video chipset, compression format, etc. All those things take up physical space. Not to mention how much drive space do you think a 30 second video will take up?

No, this is a phone with other features. Not a video camera with a phone.

I'm not trying to be snarky, but I don't think this idea from the OP was thought through before posting.
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People have said this about all the technologies that have eventually made it into smartphones.

I don't think we will see it in the 5 S but I have no doubt one day we will see it in a phone.
 
that would be revolutionary for amateur NSFW videos :)

that would even push Google Youtube to it's limits by uploading such large files.
 
cynics said:
People have said this about all the technologies that have eventually made it into smartphones.

I don't think we will see it in the 5 S but I have no doubt one day we will see it in a phone.
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Yes when 4k is the standard. The OP's suggestion that it could be in the 5s is laughable.
 
takeshi74 said:
Not necessarily. You're just assuming that to be the case. Resolution is just resolution. Image quality is affected by much more than just resolution (precisely why you can't compare cameras on MP alone).
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I'm not assuming. I do this for a living. I know how images work. When you downsample a higher resolution image you will get a tighter looking lower resolution file. Even if Apple decided to put 4K into the phone and downsampled and saved as a 1080p file, we would end up with nicer looking 1080p footage.

Now granted you are right, megapixels aren't everything. But it's one thing they could do.

Nor is it as outlandish as you all seem to think. We already have cell phone sensors that can produce 4K video as well as mobile cell phone processors like the Tegra 4 and Snapdragon 800 which can capture and playback 4K video.

Run a google search
https://www.google.com/#bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=19ace16dee38d1ee&q=4K+cell+phone&safe=off

We will see 4K capturing mobile devices this year or early next year. So the question is, will Apple be on the forefront of it or not?
 
roxics said:
I'm not assuming. I do this for a living. I know how images work. When you downsample a higher resolution image you will get a tighter looking lower resolution file. Even if Apple decided to put 4K into the phone and downsampled and saved as a 1080p file, we would end up with nicer looking 1080p footage.

Now granted you are right, megapixels aren't everything. But it's one thing they could do.

Nor is it as outlandish as you all seem to think. We already have cell phone sensors that can produce 4K video as well as mobile cell phone processors like the Tegra 4 and Snapdragon 800 which can capture and playback 4K video.

Run a google search
https://www.google.com/#bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=19ace16dee38d1ee&q=4K+cell+phone&safe=off

We will see 4K capturing mobile devices this year or early next year. So the question is, will Apple be on the forefront of it or not?
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To answer that question with my opinion. No Apple will not be at the forefront. They will trail behind a bit and overall excel at it.
 
To the original idea; please,no. I don't need to use 15GB for an hours worth of shaky, handheld video clips.

iceterminal said:
People tend to forget that the iPhone 5S is (now get this) "a PHONE". lol
4K video on a phone? Really?
Think about that for a moment. The video chipset, compression format, etc. All those things take up physical space. Not to mention how much drive space do you think a 30 second video will take up?

No, this is a phone with other features. Not a video camera with a phone.

I'm not trying to be snarky, but I don't think this idea from the OP was thought through before posting.
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No, it's not just a phone. Not even as the primary function for most people. That's as narrow minded as calling a laptop just a word processor. I make a lot if phone calls but I use the browser more. People already use their device for pictures more than a dedicated camera.
 
Jimmy James said:
To the original idea; please,no. I don't need to use 15GB for an hours worth of shaky, handheld video clips.
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With good image stabilization, that's not as big a deal. Have you seen the Lumia 920 (and onward) video quality? Best I have seen by far. No, doesn't look like it's on a tripod, but damn close. I get you with the 15GB of storage space thing though. :)
 
roxics said:
I seriously doubt it. But I would love to see the 5S sport 4K video recording. For starters that's a feature that other smartphones don't have right now. H.265 (which is likely to be the recording format) was already ratified earlier this year. Apple pushed H.264 pretty hard when it first came out, so seeing them do it for H.265 is not a huge leap. Especially since they own some stake in it. So it may be possible there is some new hardware encoding/decoding built into the new chipset.

Plus the camera itself, 4K is 8 megapixel video. Although it would probably require a new sensor, we know Apple is going to be putting in a new sensor anyway. So even if they just stick with a new 8MP sensor rather than go higher (which would be smart IMO) they can always sell it based on the 4K video resolution rather than increased photo resolution.

The only thing I can see as being an issue with 4K video would be the lack of displays. It would certainly look great on their retina displays, but for everyone else they would need to downrez the video to 1080p. That's an extra step. But 1080p from 4K native will look better than native 1080p.
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Chances are that if they put 4k, it's gonna be some kind of upscale.
 
iceterminal said:
People tend to forget that the iPhone 5S is (now get this) "a PHONE". lol
4K video on a phone? Really?
Think about that for a moment. The video chipset, compression format, etc. All those things take up physical space. Not to mention how much drive space do you think a 30 second video will take up?

No, this is a phone with other features. Not a video camera with a phone.

I'm not trying to be snarky, but I don't think this idea from the OP was thought through before posting.
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Good point, especially since I don't think there are many standard-sized cameras that are 4K. I saw 1080p professional cameras come out before the handhelds, and then 1080 made it into phones years later. So I would imagine people will sell 4K handhelds before we see a 4K iPhone camera.

I'm also thinking it would take way more processing power than Apple is comfortable with. Everybody wants battery, battery, battery, and it would get killed doing 4K video.
 
So now Acer and Samsung have both announced 4K shooting smart phones, yesterday and today.

Is Apple next?

Don't let us wait a whole year Apple. Give the 5S just that little bit of extra selling power over the 5 or 5C by allowing it to shoot 4K.

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TheProFTW said:
Chances are that if they put 4k, it's gonna be some kind of upscale.
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Why would they need to upscale it? That's not the Apple way. The sensor already has enough resolution to capture 4K video. In fact it might work out better than shooting 1080p because they won't need to window the sensor as much as they do on the 4S and 5. Meaning the angle of view between photos and video will be closer to each other.
 
Yeah, Apple will probably implement this feature (which Samsung and Acer have already announced) with the introduction of the iPhone 7 in September 2016.

And it will be revolutionary. I can't wait for the Jony Ive video saying how amazing this feature is (as if they just had invented it).
 
Considering consumer TVs that can output 4K are still in the $5k
+ range I think you'll have to wait a while.
 
Apple will get 4K 3 years after the rest of the phone manufacturers.

Deal with it. With the iPhone you get lower hardware.

It's still with 1GB RAM and dual cores when other phones have quad cores, 20Mpx cameras and 3GB RAM.

If you don't like it buy an Android.
 
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