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Tempted... BUT what could an black AT&T 64G iPhone 5 get on the market and would I have to buyout my contract to allow someone else to use it if I sold it?

But still, I may wait until the 6... I hear it's going to have a death ray, and a Droid dampening field as new features... :D

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Hallelujah! Are you getting absolutely soaking wet?

May cave now, although I want 128GB.

Waiting for that first 6S rumor.

The 6s wouldn't be out for at least two years! Can you wait that long?:confused:
 
Having the highest market share of a product does not make it antitrust. It has to prove it uses its dominant position to commit unfair trade practices against its competitors. Such as refusing to allow a retail store to sell iPhones if it sells other brands of phones as an example or some such.

Being/selling the most popular phone / tablet is not one of them.

The App Store and its 30% cut of all revenue it going to look pretty rough in a few years if 50% of computing devices sold in the US can basically only get their programs through that store. That is the trend of where we are headed. Even now most apps come out first for iOS, only if successful do they get ported to Android. And looking at sale numbers isn't even telling the whole story. Looking at usage. Factor in that Apple devices are lasting years longer than their competitors and we start seeing a situation where a huge portion of the actual computing being done in people's personal lives is going to be through an Apple device. An anti-trust claim isn't that far away. See the review of the ebook case. That Judge thinks Apple is a near monopoly worthy of being investigated at every level.
 
The App Store and its 30% cut of all revenue it going to look pretty rough in a few years if 50% of computing devices sold in the US can basically only get their programs through that store. That is the trend of where we are headed.

Apple is not the only company that uses that business model.


Even now most apps come out first for iOS, only if successful do they get ported to Android. And looking at sale numbers isn't even telling the whole story. Looking at usage. Factor in that Apple devices are lasting years longer than their competitors and we start seeing a situation where a huge portion of the actual computing being done in people's personal lives is going to be through an Apple device.

If Apple devices are lasting longer, its not their problem. Maybe competitors should be making better quality devices instead of cheaper ones. Don't see how Apples done anything wrong besides make high quality products, at competitive prices with excellent customer service. Apples success did not have anything to do with antitrust.


An anti-trust claim isn't that far away. See the review of the ebook case. That Judge thinks Apple is a near monopoly worthy of being investigated at every level.

That has to do with content, eBooks, not with any monopolistic practices. it had to do with collusion. If anything its Amazon who has the monopoly on eBooks, not Apple.
 
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Apple is not the only company that uses that business model.




If Apple devices are lasting longer, its not their problem. Maybe competitors should be making better quality devices instead of cheaper ones. Don't see how Apples done anything wrong besides make high quality products, at competitive prices with excellent customer service. Apples success did not have anything to do with antitrust.




That has to do with content, eBooks, not with any monopolistic practices. If anything its Amazon who has the monopoly on eBooks, not Apple.

It doesn't matter if other folks use the same business model. It matters if Apple has a dominate position. I'm not saying this is a real issue for this year or next year. But if trends of tablet adoption continue and Apple continues to dominate the tablet and smartphone market with a closed ecosystem, then we are going to see some anti-trust review. Taking 30% of the revenue form developers just to allow them to sell through the App store is very close to terms that only a company with near monopoly powers could impose on developers. Unless Android users start paying for Apps, this is going to take a bigger and bigger bite, percentage-wise out of all software related revenue. You wait and see.
 
It matters if Apple has a dominate position.

No it does not. Monopolies are not illegal per say. It has to be shown that they used their position to prevent competition in the market place. Look up the definition for monopoly.


Taking 30% of the revenue form developers just to allow them to sell through the App store is very close to terms that only a company with near monopoly powers could impose on developers.

Developers are free to do what they wish. Develop on any platform and seek whats the best for them.

Apple imposed the 30% when the store first opened. Its not something they imposed once they reached popularity.

Apple provides nearly everything for its store in the price. Advertising, payments, bandwidth. All that is taken care of. May not be the best deal for larger companies. But for the independent developer its a good deal that helps them compete with larger and more established companies.
 
I was not being serious. iPhone 5S will probably break records for both number of units sold (as compared to any other smartphone), dollar amount of sales revenue, and total profit.

Apple's main issue is that certain parts of the government consider their smartphone position so dominant that it raises anti-trust issues. There is a small but growing movement that is going to start pushing for Apple to be broken up. You aren't hearing about this now, but you will in a few years if general trends continue. Those PC sales are going to drop off a cliff in two years, the android devices aren't being actually used as smartphones, and if iOS continues to dominate the tablet market with the tablet market becoming the bulk of the computer market, Apple is going to have a truly dominant position. At least in the U.S. that seems to be where we are going.

Except Apple's market share of mobile and tablet sales are down and continues to drop. Please link all of us to your source.
 
Except Apple's market share of mobile and tablet sales are down and continues to drop. Please link all of us to your source.

Market share is not always indicative of sales. Especially If your comparing iPhone/iPad and Android market share. If you breakdown Android phones by manufacturer, their sales may actually lower then compared to Apple.

Last time I heard their sales were increasing, which makes sense with the release of the iPhone 5S.
 
As a stock holder, this is wonderful news. I've never bought the whole manufactured shortage strategy.
 
I laugh at those of you that are calling this a failure on Apple's part.

The above statement is so far off the mark it's not even funny. What it means is that millions of us that have been waiting for the crazy demand to die down can now go an purchase an iPhone (or iPhones) without having to wait or deal with any of the madness.

I'm going to head out tomorrow and pick-up a 64GB 5S for myself and a 32GB 5S for the wife.

Bryan
 
Market share is not always indicative of sales. Especially If your comparing iPhone/iPad and Android market share. If you breakdown Android phones by manufacturer, their sales may actually lower then compared to Apple.

Last time I heard their sales were increasing, which makes sense with the release of the iPhone 5S.

That may be true a few years ago. But today Samsung sales alone takes Apple sales number by 3 to 1.
 
Market share is not always indicative of sales. Especially If your comparing iPhone/iPad and Android market share. If you breakdown Android phones by manufacturer, their sales may actually lower then compared to Apple.

Last time I heard their sales were increasing, which makes sense with the release of the iPhone 5S.

As it always does during a release cycle. Apple is not becoming dominant. Samsung on the other hand, is. Again let's show some links to the original claims.
 
Developers are free to do what they wish. Develop on any platform and seek whats the best for them.

One sentence contradicts the other.

If developers were free, then they could sell iOS apps in other stores.

Apple imposed the 30% when the store first opened. Its not something they imposed once they reached popularity.

At first, it was quite a deal for small time developers, who were used to getting less percentage.

However, in return for that, they got far more per app in royalties, their app actually got advertised in magazines, and the app store owners would travel to various computer shows and demonstrate their software.

Now people are now used to 99 cent apps. That's great for users, and horrible for many developers who simply cannot make a living that way.

Apple provides nearly everything for its store in the price. Advertising, payments, bandwidth. All that is taken care of.

Payments and bandwidth can be had for a lot less.

And Apple sure doesn't advertise everyone's app.

May not be the best deal for larger companies. But for the independent developer its a good deal that helps them compete with larger and more established companies.

Yeah, not the best deal for larger, well known companies. I imagine that's why, for example, Slingplayer took so long to put their player app in Apple's store. They were very used to hosting their app on their own servers, and every buyer of their hardware knew where to get it. Sling had ZERO reason to let Apple take 30%.

As you say, it's Apple's store, so they get to do what they want. It's just a pity that they're so uncertain that people would stick with them, that they have to force the issue.
 
Apple is not becoming dominant. Samsung on the other hand, is.

I think Samsung has about 35% of the smartphone market.

Samsung is certainly the largest single smartphone vendor... so does that make them dominant?

There are definitely more non-Samsung smartphones being sold.
 
It doesn't matter if other folks use the same business model. It matters if Apple has a dominate position. I'm not saying this is a real issue for this year or next year. But if trends of tablet adoption continue and Apple continues to dominate the tablet and smartphone market with a closed ecosystem, then we are going to see some anti-trust review. Taking 30% of the revenue form developers just to allow them to sell through the App store is very close to terms that only a company with near monopoly powers could impose on developers. Unless Android users start paying for Apps, this is going to take a bigger and bigger bite, percentage-wise out of all software related revenue. You wait and see.

I can't believe I'm reading this, whenever I insinuate anything like the above here I've been tarred and feathered.

I can't wait for the 'allow installation of apps from third party sources' checkbox in ios. An iPhone with a larger screen and that checkbox will literally blow my mind. I may not live to get to use it in person.

And support from kdarling, what's going on here!?
 
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One sentence contradicts the other.

If developers were free, then they could sell iOS apps in other stores.

A big reason, quality control. Apples does want to have the best user experience. You can't do that by bypassing the iTunes store.

Since Apples provides all the free development tools updated on a regular basis. Of course they want you to sell them in their store.

Apple took all the financial risks, built a popular platform that makes money from the ground up. Why should they not profit from it?

Payments and bandwidth can be had for a lot less.

For the apps that get mega downloads it costs more.

And Apple sure doesn't advertise everyone's app.

For the 1 million apps in the store right now, it would be impossible.


I can't wait for the 'allow installation of apps from third party sources' checkbox in ios.

Can you say malware-fest? Thats the big reason why Androids having so much trouble with that. Its highly doubtful Apple will ever allow it for that reason.
 
Can you say malware-fest? Thats the big reason why Androids having so much trouble with that. Its highly doubtful Apple will ever allow it for that reason.

Personally I don't want apple to protect me from myself. It certainly shouldn't be the default. iOS is the first mainstream computer OS that denies the right to install whatever you want.

OSX seems to be doing just fine.
 
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Personally I don't want apple to protect me from myself. It certainly shouldn't be the default. iOS is the first mainstream computer OS that denies the right to install whatever you want.

OSX seems to be doing just fine.

More then likely they do it to protect themselves. Increased service calls & returns, lawsuits. People who claim they know what their doing, but really don't. Or how about malware that sends more malware to everybody in their contact list.
 
Two New phones for first quarter 2014

This seems to be perfect timing for the supplies of the phone to reach 100% availability with the China launch. This will get rid of stock for the next part of the plan.

The plan will be the release of the 5M and 5L first quarter of 2014 to add to the current line up.

Letters = Small, Medium and Large :eek: almost sounds silly, simple enough to be true.

With Samsung releasing the new SG5 possible as early as Jan/February and a new lower cost Galaxy note Apple will need to step up their game or lose more market share.

I for one don't think I will wait another 10 months for a phone.

If Apple confirmed they were releasing a bigger phone in February/March I just might wait.
 
More then likely they do it to protect themselves. Increased service calls & returns, lawsuits. People who claim they know what their doing, but really don't. Or how about malware that sends more malware to everybody in their contact list.

regardless it's unprecedented, let me sign a waiver of support/whatever they want
 
I was not being serious. iPhone 5S will probably break records for both number of units sold (as compared to any other smartphone), dollar amount of sales revenue, and total profit.

Apple's main issue is that certain parts of the government consider their smartphone position so dominant that it raises anti-trust issues. There is a small but growing movement that is going to start pushing for Apple to be broken up. You aren't hearing about this now, but you will in a few years if general trends continue. Those PC sales are going to drop off a cliff in two years, the android devices aren't being actually used as smartphones, and if iOS continues to dominate the tablet market with the tablet market becoming the bulk of the computer market, Apple is going to have a truly dominant position. At least in the U.S. that seems to be where we are going.

Antitrust on their high prices maybe, a Monopoly on products I don't think so; there is enough competition.
 
what dream mobile life, more memory more music, more more... i wait for S7 :D
 
Except Apple's market share of mobile and tablet sales are down and continues to drop. Please link all of us to your source.

This is the start. Here is it "just" a judge appointed Apple "monitor".

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303997604579242320326157900

Yes, the WSJ and Apple object to this. But their objecting doesn't change that this is happening.

The market share is just based on sales numbers. Usage of device is much more telling. Based on usage, Apple's share of digital activity is growing. See Black Friday sales ordered through iOS devices as compared to Android devices. It could easily grow very quickly from here (example, Apple TV starts allowing Apps and iOS to run in full effect).

I'm talking about an issue that is several years away. And any disruption could change that. But I see many of my friends feeling (happily) locked into iOS and OSX devices with no easy way to change. The trend is more and more activity going through a very closed ecosystem.

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I can't believe I'm reading this, whenever I insinuate anything like the above here I've been tarred and feathered.

I can't wait for the 'allow installation of apps from third party sources' checkbox in ios. An iPhone with a larger screen and that checkbox will literally blow my mind. I may not live to get to use it in person.

And support from kdarling, what's going on here!?

You might have to wait for a lawsuit for that check the box. Or maybe not. But there will certainly be a lot of discussion before Apple decides to take themselves out of that 30% cut on software sales.

By the way, as for tarred and feathered, I got about 6 or 7 replies saying I was wrong. So I'm definitely getting shot down here.
 
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