iPhone 5S needs to be skipped

Discussion in 'Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices' started by VinegarTasters, Mar 15, 2013.

  1. VinegarTasters macrumors 6502


    Nov 20, 2007
    I think Apple needs to skip iPhone 5S and just jump to iPhone 6.

    Why? Because of the technological trend of necessity. When Apple could not come up with an answer to Window's 3.1 onslaught, it almost went bankrupt. I feel Apple is stuck with its same old trend from yesteryear. Making the same old devices improving little by little without actually poking their head out to look around to see if they are still on the right track.

    Small screens is DEAD. If I am not convinced of iPhone 5 (skipping it), I am sure there are others like me, who feels the same way. I will also skip the 5S (because of the small screen in the rumors). It is like Apple trying to improve their old product lines without looking around what people are buying. It is their biggest handicap right now, the small screens.

    The ONLY thing keeping Apple alive right now is the iOS apps. They will survive another year because people will get an iPad for big screens, while they skip the iPhone upgrading. If the iPad has mobile calling, I think people will probably get the iPad Mini Retina instead of an iPhone. Otherwise, the iPad 4 with Retina (but not take pictures or movies with it because of the poor camera bezel design that directs light directly into the lens).

    Conclusion: iPhone 5: No buy. iPad 4: Buy only for Apps, not camera usage.

    Ok. Now that I have criticized Apple, I feel it would only be fair to criticize Samsung (their main competitor). The Samsung Galaxy S4 is OK, but it has 2 major defects:
    1) The screen is pentile (or some weird subpixel arrangement) that does not have 3 subpixels of RGB per pixel (Please correct me if I am wrong on this). If it does not have RGB per pixel, it will have artifacts, and if they state it is 1920x1080p, it is actually lower, about 2/3's lower.
    2) It runs Java. (more on this in a moment).

    Conclusion: Samsung S4: No buy (see above 2 bullet items). However: You can remove the battery, and you can put in SD card. It also has temperature sensor and barometer! These are good features that may let you overlook the terrible terrible screen.

    Two more competitors: Sony Xperia Z and HTC One.

    Xperia Z:
    Good: The main feature is 1920x1080p (no pentile), so you get 3 subpixels of RGB per pixel. Screen is 5 inches. Waterproof. SD card.
    Bad: Corners too squarish, too splashy with ornaments.

    HTC One:
    Good: Another 1920x1080p (no pentile). Again 3 subpixels per RGB pixel. Screen is 4.7 inches. Camera is best.
    Bad: Not waterproof. Can't take out battery. Can't put in SD card.

    If you just want a Phone with no Apps downloading, get the HTC One. It also has the best camera. I rarely see people print out photos anymore, so I don't know what Samsung is doing with the photo album feature. It is more common to views on their 1080 monitor/TV, or show it on the phone. HTC One is the best phone right now because of the good camera. Only 2 Megapixels is needed for 1080p and it has 4 Megapixels to satisfy picture taking, and movie taking at 1080p with their good low light capture camera.

    Xperia Z is second Place. If Samsung has 3 subpixels per pixel, instead of Pentile then Samsung would have been number 2 behind HTC One.

    Now on to the Java thing. I have mentioned before... They need to move the Java layer up to the Apps layer (for backward compatibility), and allow direct native code in C on Android without going through the Java API layer. Android is going to die of lack of apps because everything will be ports of iOS apps (running under Android in C). No one is going to make native Java apps, because they will run too slow to compete. It will require double the cores and double the memory to stay competitive with native C code (which Windows Phone is keep to step into its place if they get their act together). Objective C will even lose to native C code like how Windows games (in C) runs faster than OSX games (Objective C layer Operating System) on same hardware.

    I think Google recently moved around the Android head guy. I hope they do the right thing and get rid of Java as a requirement. Or they will die a slow death. Even Samsung is wise to have a backup OS plan. If Google wants Android to survive, they gotta move the Java up to the Apps layer only for backward compatibility, and let future Apps run in C directly on the hardware without going through Java. All apps worthy of mention on Android runs in C anyways, through the slow Java, making it harder to develop. NaCl on Chrome OS may work, but they gotta make it be able to compile native code like on Windows Phone or iOS (but in C, not pseudo slow half interpreted Objective C like it is now). You don't want people in the future to say: Well, if you want games, run it on Windows Phone, not iPhone. Like how it is when people say you should run on Windows instead of Mac. So Google has some serious things to think about... keep marketing it, or really go in and do the right thing for the future. NaCl I think is meant for HTML and is not the solution like native code on Windows Phone or iPhone (well close to it).

    There you go:
    If you don't care about Apps, HTC One is the best PHONE.
    If you care about Apps, get the iPad 4.
    If you want to take pictures or movies get the HTC One (NOT iPad 4).
    If you want to display movies or pictures, get the Xperia Z or HTC One (pure 1080p) for a phone, or iPad 4 for larger size.
    If you want lots of gadgets, get the Samsung Galaxy 4. (nice barometer, temperature, etc). But that Pentile thing really hurt them. It stopped me from considering the S3.

    Enough bad and good so it is a double edged sword for those who wish to attack one another.
  2. jonasdamn macrumors 6502a

    Mar 4, 2013
    Tell me the difference between full hd and hd screen on smartphone? You wont notice any difference because you are using 4-5" screen. With full hd screen you give away more power resources for the same effect as with hd. Seems that they are out of ideas and trying with full hd screens to make "revolution"...and whats the point of that overpowered hardware while android operating system is lack of optimization and still doesnt give smooth using expierence.

    Im not apple fanboy or smt like that, i had 2 years samsung android high-ends (s2,note1,s3,note2) and i bored of those gimmicks features....
  3. AQUADock macrumors 65816


    Mar 20, 2011
  4. decafjava macrumors 68030


    Feb 7, 2011
    What if you care about apps but want to make calls too?? :rolleyes: Sorry apples and oranges here. Tablets are not phones.
  5. VinegarTasters thread starter macrumors 6502


    Nov 20, 2007
    Hmm... Then the best solution is to get the HTC One and the iPad 4 (not the non-retina iPad Mini). You get the best of both worlds.
  6. Moshu macrumors member

    May 3, 2012
    Sorry, I don't agree with this and I will buy the iPhone 5s as my contract will expire in December.

    I apreciate a lot the smaller factor of the iPhones over the Android flagships, as I sometimes also carry with me an iPad mini. I know, it's not retina, but it is lighter, smaller and gets the work done.

    For me the Android software is a no-go, as I am past the point (been there, done that) where I had time or enjoyed to babysit a phone: close apps, free memory, monitor running processes etc.
    I don't care how many gigs of RAM a phone has or how many cores, all I do care is that the experience (UI flow) on a Galaxy SIII is worse than on my actual 4s and it's clear that the issues are software related as the hardware is really overkill.
    Now, with the SG IV, they have 8 cores, but the UI will still run on a SINGLE core and I expect the overall feeling to still be inferior to the iPhone, as in Samsung's race for multi-core Benchmarks PWNage, I have big doubts if the single cores in the new 8-core proc are faster than in the previous 4-core.

    To each his own, some value the bang for the buck, some value the quality of a thing well done. In the end it's a personal choice, but due to the amazing HW-SW integration, I will stick to the iPhone.
  7. ZombiePete macrumors 68020


    Aug 6, 2008
    San Antonio, TX
    I don't understand your argument. You're comparing newly-released Android phones with an iPhone that's coming up on its one-year anniversary, and saying that the HTC One for example is better than the iPhone 5 because of slightly better specs. The 5S would be a spec-bump with maybe a couple new or enhanced features that at the least I imagine would make it comparable to the HTC One; isn't that what you would want as an iPhone user looking to upgrade?

    If all you really want is a bigger screen (which I don't so you're not speaking for me thanks) then go Android; stupidly-huge screens seems to be quickly becoming their defining characteristic. I prefer iOS and the Apple build quality to gimmicks and spec improvements that for 99% of my usage I would never notice or probably even use. WWF, Safari, and Feedler all work pretty well on my going on three year old iPhone 4.
  8. mattopotamus macrumors G5


    Jun 12, 2012
  9. CEmajr macrumors 601

    Dec 18, 2012
    Charlotte, NC
    If small screens are dead how is the iPhone 5 outselling every other smartphone on the market? And the iPhone 4S the current second best selling phone?

    Not everyone wants to carry a tablet in their pocket.
  10. Small White Car macrumors G4

    Small White Car

    Aug 29, 2006
    Washington DC
    The lesson here is that everyone needs to like the features VinegarTasters likes, and if your needs are different from his then you are wrong.
  11. ArizonaKid macrumors regular

    Jun 4, 2005
    Not enough because it's probably the most requested change. However I don't think they need to go all in with one screen size. It certainly doesn't hurt providing options and one size obviously isn't fitting all.

    I'd certainly like to use a larger iOS device.
  12. boy-better-know macrumors 65816

    Jun 30, 2010
    Love my iPhone 5, but only because it works seamlessly with my Macs and iPad (photostream, emails, apps, music etc). But I want a 5" screen more than anything else.

    I think the proof is in the pudding, and the fact is, 5" screens are what many people want.
  13. 1member1 macrumors 6502

    Sep 8, 2012
    If apple actually release iPhone 5S with fingerprint + nfc + good api for developers i think no one will skip it..

    I rather get ubuntu phone than go android
  14. R.Stoychev macrumors 6502a


    Dec 23, 2012
    Why every new thread is about 5S/6 etc. we're not soothsayers :confused:
  15. AQUADock, Mar 15, 2013
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 15, 2013

    AQUADock macrumors 65816


    Mar 20, 2011
    So would I but apple won't do it because it will break app support.
  16. Italianblend macrumors 68000


    Mar 21, 2011
    The good thing about skipping a 5S is that we might get a bigger screen size. However, s versions tend to work out all the bugs of the previous version which I like. I would be okay with the 5s if apple is stubborn about their screen size.
  17. jigzaw macrumors 6502

    Oct 12, 2012
    I disagree that the screen size is a dealbreaker. I honestly don't want to be walking around with a big ol' paddle in my pocket. More screen real estate is what my ipad is for.

    While I might skip this or that generation of iPhone, I truly don't see any reason why I'd switch to Android. I find them clunky, laggy, and frankly too damn confusing for quick casual use (which is what I want in a phone).

    I couldn't care less whether they call the next one the 5S or the 6, and I honestly don't understand the common disdain for the S "bump" when it seems to me that it's the S models of iPhone that have the most innovative upgrades while the "number only" models tend to be mostly cosmetic re-designs.
  18. JAT macrumors 603

    Dec 31, 2001
    Mpls, MN
    All phones have small screens. You want the same size screen on an iPhone as the GS4? Hold the iPhone 2" closer to your face. NOW IT'S BIGGER!!
  19. aneftp macrumors 601

    Jul 28, 2007
    One advice for OP.

    There is no perfect smartphone at this point. There is no interest in making a smartphone that can last you 5-6 years cause they want you to keep buying.

    Look at the computer industry. Stagnant the past 10 years. A 6 year old computer still works fine for me cause its duo core.
  20. irDigital0l Guest

    Dec 7, 2010
    Lol. Have fun holding your iPhone 2 inch from your face.

    You can't read ****.
  21. Bahroo macrumors 68000

    Jul 21, 2012

    The HTC One camera is extremely overrated and The Verge even said that the One has a mediocre camera... it most certainly doesnt have the best camera on a smartphone


    4.6-4.7 inches is actually the sweet spot with a screen
  22. mobilebuddha macrumors regular

    Jan 31, 2008
    4.6 - 4.7 inch is the perfect size for who, you? probably. Certainly not for me, who died and made you the God of Perfect Phone Size Decider?

    Why is it Apple thinks it has the brains to decide for me how big my perfect phone should be? They certainly aren't that arrogant when it comes to laptop sizes, or desktop sizes. 11, 13, 15, (and former 17) macbook/air/pros and 21/27 inch iMacs.

    See? Giving people choices is a good thing. Now let's get that propagated to phones.

    Whoever within Apple that decided screen resolution should be fixed needs to be shot and Apple needs to spend its R&D and come up with a resolution to support flexible resolutions, existing apps AND different phone sizes. It is the most innovative company on Earth, according to everyone, right? So get to it.. innovate!

  23. matttye macrumors 601

    Mar 25, 2009
    Lincoln, England
    Every iPhone has sold more than the last; Apple knows what it is doing.
  24. DigitL macrumors member

    Mar 8, 2013
    If you don't like the topic, why even post in the thread? There are many other topics to choose from.
  25. boy-better-know macrumors 65816

    Jun 30, 2010
    It is a matter of opinion, I can understand that many would want to be able to use the phone with one hand. But for me, bigger is better, and 5" is the cut off before it starts to look stupid on your ear (see Samsung Note). :p

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