iPhone 6 Information Leak Sourced from Foxconn Details Dimensions of 4.7-Inch and 5.5-Inch Versions

[69Mustang]

I think I got your point. I was trying to argue that I'm an iphone user, I am technically inclined, and I would like a smaller high-end phone. Isn't that what you asked ? I can't speak for the entire marker, but I can provide an anecdotal point of view, mine.

My phone is unlocked, I even have a file browser installed and sometimes I copy files inside, I gather a bunch of files, text documents, I zip them and move them out, right inside the phone with the file explorer, just like on a computer. I even managed to tweak some aspects of the ios by editing .plist files, so I think I can safely say I'm technically inclined.

So I don't just use the phone with chat and browse. I don't even have facebook installed on my phone, but I have a ton of apps like movie making, 3d objects creation from photos, and so on.

Someone here said if there would be a market for high-end small phones, the Android crew would make them. But perhaps they are not capable of such a feat. Perhaps only Apple could miniaturize a powerful enough phone.

I get what you were saying, but that wasn't what Serelus and I were discussing. During his rant (he called it a rant, not me) he said people who want larger phones were less technically savvy and Apple shouldn't make larger phones for them. I said there is no empirical data to show small phone owners are more savvy, and giving him a way out of that hole, I would accept anecdotal data of small phone owners being more savvy than large phone owners. That was the anecdote we were discussing. Not just a random anecdote about liking small phones. This thread is full of those. If you track back through the thread, you will see your anecdote is unrelated to the original topic. You like the smaller phones. I get it. It's totally okay. I never said it wasn't.

Bolded from your quote: Whaaaaaaa? You can get a 4" inch phone from Android, WP, Blackberry, and a number of other vendors. What gave you the impression you couldn't?

 

[iBighouse]

Apple is a business. They will make any size phone required to capture that market if there is a growing demand for it. It WILL be a very high quality product built to Apple standards no matter the size.

I will not buy the 5.5" model when my current contract is up. I have an iPad that goes just about everywhere I do. I might be interested in upgrading to the 6S 4.7" model if it has features and specs that make it worth doing so, and so long as the phone doesn't get much wider. I don't want a big phone to keep in my pant's pocket...but understand those who do.

If the leaked info is correct, I think The white bands are ugly. The protruding camera lens is ugly and a real obstacle that's going to get abused often for those who go caseless. But, as I keep my phones in an Apple leather case, neither of those issues would really bother me at all.

 

[69Mustang]

The "first world problem" argument is true, but I don't think it holds much weight in this forum. The problem is I or anyone could use that to respond to literally ANY criticism here, which means no one could ever criticize; only give praise or be silent, which would make these forums very sparse and boring. And if you go really extreme, it means we shouldn't even be wasting our time reading these forums in the first place, but instead going out to maybe help at a soup kitchen (and maybe we should). The FWP argument is like a nuke that destroys this entire website and kills everyone, even the arguer. But I like this website and want it to continue so let's all agree that we all know none of this really matters in the grand scheme of things, and if someone wants to respond to someone who they think is being nitpicky, they should try using more manageable arguments that don't implode the universe.

Taken out of the context in which it was presented, yes, FWP can be a nuke. But should we engage it that type of activity? I think not. That not only applies to FWP, but generally extracting snippets from post out of context is bad form, imo. If FWP is used as a shut down device, then your premise is correct. If it's not, as was the case with the snippet you took from my post, then you completely change the narrative of the conversation to one of your own.

Bold red: What about my response to Serelus was less than manageable? Nothing I said was hyperbolic or unreasonable. Even he eventually said he was ranting due to frustration. So even though your advice to measure our comments was appreciated, it wasn't needed in my case. My entire comment was just that; measured.

 

[Señor]

Tripling down, anyone?

 

[sebastian...]

Bolded from your quote: Whaaaaaaa? You can get a 4" inch phone from Android, WP, Blackberry, and a number of other vendors. What gave you the impression you couldn't?

Are they more powerful or at least equally powerful with the 5 and 5.5 ones ?
How about a 3.5 inch one ? If they are less powerful, maybe it means that due to the smaller size, it's difficult or impossible for the Android companies to cram inside a quad core and octo core CPUs and so on.

Only Apple were perhaps able to build a small 3.5 iphone 4s with high-end components (at that time).

So the reason Samsung and others don't manufacture high-end small phones is not because there isn't demand. But because they can't make them.
Even when the iphones 4s and iphone 5 were selling like hot cakes, so the demand was clear, Samsung still didn't made such a phone. The powerful ones they made were bigger.

 

[zipa]

If they are less powerful, maybe it means that due to the smaller size, it's difficult or impossible for the Android companies to cram inside a quad core and octo core CPUs and so on.

Umm... Do you actually believe that a quad-core CPU is physically larger than a dual-core or a single core, or are you just being sarcastic? Sometimes it is hard to tell the difference over here...

 

[69Mustang]

Are they more powerful or at least equally powerful with the 5 and 5.5 ones ?
How about a 3.5 inch one ? If they are less powerful, maybe it means that due to the smaller size, it's difficult or impossible for the Android companies to cram inside a quad core and octo core CPUs and so on.

Only Apple were perhaps able to build a small 3.5 iphone 4s with high-end components (at that time).

So the reason Samsung and others don't manufacture high-end small phones is not because there isn't demand. But because they can't make them.
Even when the iphones 4s and iphone 5 were selling like hot cakes, so the demand was clear, Samsung still didn't made such a phone. The powerful ones they made were bigger.

Again, I am confused and hate to harp on Samsung but since you use them in your example, I guess it works. They have made mini versions of their flagship phones for the past 3 iterations and other vendors have done so as well. Most are specced lighter, not because the vendors lack know how, but they make more profit on the larger flagships that are in demand. Most of the vendors left the 4" market to Apple. As a concession to the few who want Android or WP and a smaller phone, they made ~4" versions. You know, covering their bases.

Apple sees the potential in gaining customers who never looked at them in the past because their phone was deemed too small. You may be thinking, what about the customers who want 4" phone? This is just a guess, but I don't think Apple is too worried about them. They will adapt just like they did in the transition from 3.5 to 4. It may seem callus to say but how many of those customers would actually leave? Apple has loyalty far beyond most vendors. Anecdotally, go look in the battery replacement thread or the thread on the possible class action over graphics card issues. You have people in those threads that have had to replace things multiple times and all they can say is "can't wait for the 6" or "Apple is great for doing this for us". Those people are going to buy from Apple regardless. Apple knows it.

 

[subjonas]

Taken out of the context in which it was presented, yes, FWP can be a nuke. But should we engage it that type of activity? I think not. That not only applies to FWP, but generally extracting snippets from post out of context is bad form, imo. If FWP is used as a shut down device, then your premise is correct. If it's not, as was the case with the snippet you took from my post, then you completely change the narrative of the conversation to one of your own.

Bold red: What about my response to Serelus was less than manageable? Nothing I said was hyperbolic or unreasonable. Even he eventually said he was ranting due to frustration. So even though your advice to measure our comments was appreciated, it wasn't needed in my case. My entire comment was just that; measured.

The rest of your arguments were completely valid. I was only speaking specifically to the FWP argument. I double checked the context, and though I understand it wasn't in conjunction to your main point, it does still seem like the effect was the same in that it blew up Serelus' complaint for an up-to-date 4" iPhone. But maybe I'm reading it wrong, so I'll keep that in mind. Of course you have no obligation to clarify yourself to me.

 

[majkom]

Umm... Do you actually believe that a quad-core CPU is physically larger than a dual-core or a single core, or are you just being sarcastic? Sometimes it is hard to tell the difference over here...

but it never was about cpu, it always was about battery - android vendors were/are unable to build powerful and small phone with "day lasting" battery life (blame android, not vendors) - thats where big phones/phablets were born.

 

[a0me]

Remember this little dude everyone loved?

But who remembers it when this dude came out?

The RAZR V3 had a color screen with 50x the resolution, way more features, but still lighter and roughly the same size as the monochrome, wrist watch screen V60i handset. That's why nobody missed the older model.

There was a time when 17-inch laptops were all the rage, but for some reason most people still buy the smaller models, and Apple stopped producing 17-inchers a while ago.

 

[a0me]

thats like saying people that thought they could never go without a physcial keyboard now enjoy touch screen, or people that only ever wanted a flip phone have now moved on

change is hard but you get use to it after tiime

So you're saying that bigger screens are better in all situations, right? And somehow, your sig shows that you're still using a 15-inch laptop, when there have been 17-inch notebooks for over a decade.

I'll let the irony of the situation sink in.

 

[sebastian...]

Umm... Do you actually believe that a quad-core CPU is physically larger than a dual-core or a single core, or are you just being sarcastic? Sometimes it is hard to tell the difference over here...

It's not necessarily about the cpu size. But fitting a small phone with a low power CPU with low graphics capabilities, less sensors, less memory, lower quality cameras modules, less battery, is a different task from cramming everything high quality, high power into a small phone.

A quad core cpu will consume more battery, not to mention it will get warmer, maybe even hot. In a smaller phone it should be more difficult to dissipate the heat and this is just one of the many concerns.

 

[Capt. Obvious]

has anyone thought that lense might be pushed out to sit flush with a apple case? a selection of customisable colours, such as the iphone c has?

we all admit it is thin as needed, so why not make it flush with a case.

There's an array of lenses and filters for the iPhone's camera, which slide/clip on; ACCURACY and SIMPLICITY in positioning such things would be greatly enhanced and made MUCH more secure by mating such a 'bump' with a corresponding 'nook'.

It's also been suggested that it makes room for a more advanced/capable camera - whether optical zoom improves, or depth-of-field improves, or overall performance improves, I doubt that will injure sales.

 

[pkson]

Anyone notice the date bottom left corner...2014-2-12? Does that mean the bands might not be real!

Nice catch.

 

[Sonisk]

That lens... Apple what are you doing?

 

[maknhak]

Zoom lens, maybe it retracts.

 

[satcomer]

What everyone us forgetting is the leaked details of pure 4G talking with the data it currently uses. Besides cell phone providers are ruining cell phones by imposing IMHO high SMS fees and fake data caps.

What America needs (including Canada) is a European style of cell phone companies! Sure it means the end of subsidies for cell phones but we as consumers get a choice of cell phone with no locks or data caps.

 

[DakotaGuy]

iPhone 6 5.5"

158 mm long H
78 mm wide W
7.1 mm thick D

LG G3 5.5"

146.3 mm H
74.6 mm W
8.9 mm D

Although the iPhone 6 is a little thinner then the G3 it appears that it will have a lot more wasted space around the screen.

 

[apolloa]

Are they more powerful or at least equally powerful with the 5 and 5.5 ones ?
How about a 3.5 inch one ? If they are less powerful, maybe it means that due to the smaller size, it's difficult or impossible for the Android companies to cram inside a quad core and octo core CPUs and so on.

Only Apple were perhaps able to build a small 3.5 iphone 4s with high-end components (at that time).

So the reason Samsung and others don't manufacture high-end small phones is not because there isn't demand. But because they can't make them.
Even when the iphones 4s and iphone 5 were selling like hot cakes, so the demand was clear, Samsung still didn't made such a phone. The powerful ones they made were bigger.

Well, Apple has NEVER made a quad core CPU phone, so using your argument it means Android makes are actually better as they can fit more power into their handsets. A bigger handset also means better cooling so they can have CPU's with more cores than Apple.
To imply, actually to even think of implying Samsung can't make a small powerful phone is just utterly ridiculous and false. You do know Samsung makes Apples CPU's right? So who do you think does the development? Ensures they can fit in the thermal envelope of the phone?
So Samsung already prove to you they are more then capable of making small powerful handset, they just don't want to because that is not their market, and as the rumours prove with bigger iPhones, it's not Apple's market either.

As for thickness, that's a moot point really as I have NEVER seen anyone complain about the thickness of an iphone 5S or Galaxy S5 or Nexus 5 etc etc, in fact any of those phones are positively paper thin next to phones from only a few years ago.

 

[slayerz96]

Looking at some posts, it seems that a few people are upset/surprised that Apple will be going 'big' this time, when they claimed 3.5/4" to be the sweet spot.

This kinda reminds me back in the days when Apple ditched the PowerPC. They used to mention a lot about intel's inferiority during the days when they advocated PowerPC, but they eventually made the switch.

 

[alexforget82]

iPhone 6 5.5"

158 mm long H
78 mm wide W
7.1 mm thick D

LG G3 5.5"

146.3 mm H
74.6 mm W
8.9 mm D

Although the iPhone 6 is a little thinner then the G3 it appears that it will have a lot more wasted space around the screen.

Thanks to the symmetric design and the home button...Time for Apple to rethink this button...

 

[kdarling]

Looking at some posts, it seems that a few people are upset/surprised that Apple will be going 'big' this time, when they claimed 3.5/4" to be the sweet spot.

Yep.

Apple's FQ1 2013 earnings call transcript:

Bill Shope - Goldman Sachs

"Okay, great. Thank you. Katy had alluded to this, many of your smartphone competitors are now focusing on differentiating themselves with larger screen sizes than that of the iPhone 5 in your predecessor products. I mean, how do you think about the competitive dynamics for the market right now? In that respect, do you think that’s a valid point of differentiation? And do you think there is a long-term case for a larger screen size or at least the larger variety of screen sizes for iPhones and for the smartphone category in general?"

Tim Cook - Chief Executive Officer

"Hi Bill, it’s Tim. The iPhone 5 offers as you know a new 4-inch Retina display, which is the most advanced display in the industry and no one comes close to matching the level of quality as the Retina display. It also provides a larger screen size for iPhone customers without sacrificing the one headed ease-of-use that our customers love. So, we put a lot of thinking into screen size and believe we’ve picked the right one."

This kinda reminds me back in the days when Apple ditched the PowerPC. They used to mention a lot about intel's inferiority during the days when they advocated PowerPC, but they eventually made the switch.

Steve Jobs was like a used car salesman. He would diss any feature that his competitors had, which his products were missing... right up until he sold the same feature, and then suddenly it was magical.

 

[ray6712]

ill say this I actually enjoy the design of this phone, I'm just waiting to see if there are any hardware differences between the models. if not ill go for the 4.7 if there are 5.5 it is. The lens protruding doesn't bother because every competing phone has this and they're much larger and thicker.

Plus i suspect the lens will be sapphire again so scratches won't be an issue

 

[mikeash]

iPhone 6 5.5"

158 mm long H
78 mm wide W
7.1 mm thick D

LG G3 5.5"

146.3 mm H
74.6 mm W
8.9 mm D

Although the iPhone 6 is a little thinner then the G3 it appears that it will have a lot more wasted space around the screen.

Its not wasted space. Do you enjoy the quality of the calls on your iPhone? The quality sound from the earpiece and how good you sound to other people? Do you enjoy the rather nice sound from your iPhone? All that takes up space up top and below the screen. Its not like many garbage Android phones Ive had with a terrible speaker and earpiece, this is quality stuff. Its like with a TV. The thinner it gets, the less room you have for a quality speaker. I love my 70 inch TV but its so thin, the speakers are a joke, need to run a surround sound. You start shrinking bezels and you start to reduce the quality of important things to a PHONE like speakers and earpieces.

 

[DakotaGuy]

Its not wasted space. Do you enjoy the quality of the calls on your iPhone? The quality sound from the earpiece and how good you sound to other people? Do you enjoy the rather nice sound from your iPhone? All that takes up space up top and below the screen. Its not like many garbage Android phones Ive had with a terrible speaker and earpiece, this is quality stuff. Its like with a TV. The thinner it gets, the less room you have for a quality speaker. I love my 70 inch TV but its so thin, the speakers are a joke, need to run a surround sound. You start shrinking bezels and you start to reduce the quality of important things to a PHONE like speakers and earpieces.

The sound quality on the G3 is excellent so that proves it can be done. I don't know what "garbage" Android phones you owned in the past, but my G3 is an excellent phone. My point was if you want a 5.5" phone to be convenient to carry and use it needs to be trim. If these specs are what is released then the 5.5" iPhone is going be to rather bulky for day to day use IMHO. I know they will sell a ton of them, but getting a big screen in a trim package is really nice.