iPhone 7 Plus Depth of Field

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by rick3000, Sep 21, 2016.

  1. rick3000 macrumors 6502a

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    I was just looking at a review of the new DoF included in the iOS Beta, and the DoF looks all wrong to me. I was looking at this TechCrunch review, and the photos that have foreground, the hand holding a strawberry, the chicken decal, and the paint cans do not look right.

    I finally realized it is because there is no foreground blur. With optical DoF you end up with a certain distance that is in focus. From what I can see the iPhone 7 Plus appears to only apply blur to the background, so everything from the subject forward is in focus, which in my opinion looks odd. Kind of like how 48 or 60 fps movies just don't 'look right' compared to 24 or 30 fps.

    Did anyone else notice this, or am I missing something?

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  2. Moakesy macrumors regular

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    Personally, considering this is an effect that is applied after the image is taken, I think they've done a good job.

    Certainly a decent DSLR / quality lens setup will do better, but for a camera phone I'd be happy with it.... and the phone will fit in my pocket far more easily than my camera gear.

    The lack of foreground blur could be considered a shortcoming in some images I guess, but edit the DNG RAW file in Lightroom and problem solved.
     
  3. rick3000 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I'm not bashing Apple, I agree it is an impressive feature, but I wasn't sure if it was just me, or if other people thought the lack of foreground DoF in some photos looked odd.
     
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    It will never replace my Nikon's, but surely it will be good enough for you Canon guys? :D

    I'll try it out when they release the general upgrade.
     
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    For us it replaces any standalone P&S as a backup to a proper interchangeable lens camera. It is OK for when a proper camera is not available or appropriate. It will never be my first choice....just sometimes the only practical choice because I will have it with me. And now that I have the option of shooting raw format via the Lr Mobile camera app...so much the better.
     
  8. kenoh macrumors demi-god

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    It is impressive if they csn get it to work ok but at the end of the day it is just like the miniature effect that people do to death on instagram. Sorry if this sounds grumpy.
     
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    You? Grumpy? No surely not! Friday tomorrow. That must cheer you up.
     
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    Friday already here ;-)
     
  11. E3BK macrumors 68020

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    Does anyone here have the iPhone 7+? I'd love to see the 7+ blur and real bokeh in a side by side focused on the same subject (and not from Apple marketing).
     
  12. Nathan King macrumors member

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    I never understood the obsession with thin depth of field. I'm always stopping my medium format camera down so that I can get MORE depth of field! That said, Apple has created a pretty good software approximation of the optical effect.
     
  13. Apple fanboy macrumors Penryn

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    I do, but that feature is only available in the 10.1 beta. I'll post it when it's available. In the meantime, I'm sure we have some beta testers on here.
     
  14. simonsi macrumors 601

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    Real bokeh from what? The bokeh effect will vary hugely depending on the lens aperture physical characteristics (number and shape of blades mainly).
     
  15. jerwin macrumors 68000

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    depends on your style and your subject matter. With small sensor cameras, you don't get much of a choice.
     
  16. E3BK macrumors 68020

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    Use your favorite lens that produces great bokeh and let us know what lens it is, what camera it is, etc. I'm just looking for DSLR/Mirrorless aka real cameras vs the iPhone 7+ effect. I'd do it myself if I had the 7+ and the update and compare it to my Canon 7D w/ 50mm f1.4 as well as my OMD E-M5 w/ 25mm f2.8. It's ok to be curious about the differences, right? That's what the forum is for?
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    Cool. Love that you're always game to try things out!
     
  17. MCAsan macrumors 601

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    The IOS dot release for the portrait mode that does it is not out yet. That feature is in beta.
     
  18. coldsweat macrumors 6502

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    There you go - I fixed it for you!

    Anyway - shouldn't you Nikon shooters be banging on about the iPhone 7's lack of dynamic range & what the DxO score will be? :D:D:D
     
  19. kenoh, Sep 23, 2016
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    Mate, I have man flu. Mrs Kenoh is on the verge of homicide. I thought the female of the species was supposed to be more nurturing and caring. Not here, no sir... I am already 4 days over my allotted 1 hour of allowed sick time this year so she is raging at me. Sympathy expired, tolerance has run out so now I am just getting told to stop being a wuss...

    So no, Friday is grump day too... :)
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    It is just different shooting styles isn't it. What do you shoot? Come on give us some photog p0rn to go gaga over...

    Each to their own though right? I like the way shallow DoF makes the subject pop but like a lot of things, HDR, weird focus effects like those applied in Instagram, then can be overdone but when nailed then wowza!

    I am curious about this software apple are developing as if it works consistently, whose to say it won't find its way into other image capture devices.

    All very interesting.
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    Yeah, maybe they should work on fixing auto correct before upping their game to image manglement... Thanks for fixing that, we know AFB gets upset when it gets it the wrong way round... :)
     
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    Oh snap! Feel that burn. :p:D
     
  21. coldsweat macrumors 6502

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    Quick & dirty shot on the kitchen table - everything on auto
    [​IMG]

    but heres the one everyones really waiting for...........
    [​IMG]
     
  22. Apple fanboy macrumors Penryn

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    I'm not sure the iPhone can have its lens fine tuned!
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    Sorry to hear you have a slight cold! ;)
     
  23. E3BK, Sep 23, 2016
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    Thanks for testing!! Really interesting. I'm going to keep my observations to myself until I see a new more test shots but a good start on seeing these. Again, thanks for being game.
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    Many people on this board are either in the Dev program or Public beta. I'm in the public beta. I just don't have a 7+, only the 7. But yes, the feature is still in Beta and @coldsweat has it.
     
  24. jerwin macrumors 68000

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    I take refuge in my pixel peeping.
     
  25. Nathan King macrumors member

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    Agreed. I do architecture, often with perspective control lenses, so my needs probably aren't typical nor well served by the iPhone. In the below shot I used tilt to move the plane of focus parallel with the facade and shift to prevent keystoning. Even with the tilt I had to stop down a fair bit.

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    :)

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