iPhone 8 Concerns?

[nviz22]

With the legal issues stemming between Apple and Qualcomm, Apple's past with the iPhone 5 and LTE, and Samsung pushing new 600 MHz tech, should I be weary about an iPhone 8 purchase?

I am leaning towards the iPhone 8 (once it comes out) to get more reliable software, stronger battery life, better apps, and Apple support. I will miss the dual edge screens, split screen multi-tasking, some UI elements, Samsung Pay, smart features, Always on Display.

I am banking on the idea Apple expands iOS 11 for the iPhone 8, Iris/Retina scanning, a front FP sensor underneath the screen, a high end AMOLED display, the A11 processor + 3 or 4 GB RAM combo, better dual cameras, stronger signal quality (doubt it with Intel, but worth hoping for), quick charging, wireless charging, a nice ergonomic redesign, and anything else better would be a welcomed edition.

But my concerns are that Intel and T-Mobile made my experience slightly worse for phone calls, Apple lagged behind on LTE and other radio features like 256 WQAM and 4x4 MIMO. Samsung is also encroaching territories where T-Mobile's network favors a Galaxy. I don't want to deal with Samsung's possible bog down after a honey moon experience just to have more favorable software. I rather have something no frills to be fair. Thoughts? Or is it too early to tell?

PS I know it's all speculative at this point.

 

[Applejuiced]

Its still too early to tell or decide I think.
Not sure if all those items on your list will be included on the next iPhone.

 

[Newtons Apple]

I rather have something no frills to be fair. Thoughts? Or is it too early to tell?

PS I know it's all speculative at this point.

If looking for "no frills" the iPhone 8 may not be a good choice.

 

[nviz22]

If looking for "no frills" the iPhone 8 may not be a good choice.

Why not? My SE works well despite not having Samsung's bevy of smart features.

 

[noobinator]

Why not? My SE works well despite not having Samsung's bevy of smart features.

That's because the SE is the no frills device from Apple. The 8 will have many more bells and whistles than the SE. I think that's the posters point.

 

[Newtons Apple]

Why not? My SE works well despite not having Samsung's bevy of smart features.

Why not? There is a big difference in the SE and 8. If you want "no frills" don't you think the SE is closer to what you are wanting?

 

[bufffilm]

Don't expect this year's redesign to have all the latest bells and whistles like BT 5, new MIMO, etc

Apple hasn't led in these areas for a while now. They might have a few of them...but not all.

Android is the cutting edge.

 

[I7guy]

Android is more like the bleeding edge. However I do expect the next gen iPhone to have BT5 and mimo.

 

[nviz22]

Don't expect this year's redesign to have all the latest bells and whistles like BT 5, new MIMO, etc

Apple hasn't led in these areas for a while now. They might have a few of them...but not all.

Android is the cutting edge.

If that's the case and/or expectation, it comes down to trade offs? Meaning that I will have to take the bleeding edge/cutting edge + limitations on battery life and software quirks or the iOS experience but with less customization?

 

[bufffilm]

If that's the case and/or expectation, it comes down to trade offs? Meaning that I will have to take the bleeding edge/cutting edge + limitations on battery life and software quirks or the iOS experience but with less customization?

Pretty much...

 

[44267547]

Don't expect this year's redesign to have all the latest bells and whistles like BT 5, new MIMO, etc

I slightly disagree. I think their will be three models, a 7S that retains the 4.7/5.5 iPhone with a similar form factor with minor/upgraded enhancements. The rumored 5.8 OLED model will likely incorporate most of the latest specifications and a redisign.

I do think Samsung/Android has made some nice strides in terms of hardware. The Note 8 should be interesting.

 

[bufffilm]

I slightly disagree. I think their will be three models, a 7S that retains the 4.7/5.5 iPhone with a similar form factor with minor/upgraded enhancements. The rumored 5.8 OLED model will likely incorporate most of the latest specifications and a redisign.

I do think Samsung/Android has made some nice strides in terms of hardware. The Note 8 should be interesting.

The OLED phone will have the most advances.

That much we can agree on.

Look...if it has all the new stuff, great. I'm just not as optimistic.

In that dept...Apple hasn't led.

 

[44267547]

The OLED phone will have the most advances.

That much we can agree on.

Look...if it has all the new stuff, great. I'm just not as optimistic.

In that dept...Apple hasn't led.

I agree Apple tends to be behind in advancements that other competitors have already released. A lot of Apple's product line is like that . But what I do like about Apple is when they do release their newest features,
They are usually executed well and have unique capabilities over other competitors. Apple does things differently, which I can appreciate their approach and what separates them from everyone else.

 

[eyoungren]

But what I do like about Apple is when they do release their newest features,
They are usually executed well and have unique capabilities over other competitors.

I have to disagree here. Not too much, but still…

Apple's approach to things can be unique and novel and is one of the reasons I like certain Apple products, but when it comes to other approaches Apple often implements things either in a half-assed way or just badly. Or some times they just don't feel at all like implementing a feature.

I hate to bring jailbreaking in to the topic, but it's the only way to illustrate what I mean. Apple's Quick Reply for SMS/iMessages is just ridiculous compared to what BiteSMS used to do…all the way back to iOS 5 and perhaps even farther.

Call blocking compared to iBlacklist? Night Shift compared to f.lux?

And in the case of not even offering something, Apple STILL makes you unlock your iPhone and open an app in order to make a phone call (yes, you can do it with SIRI from the lockscreen but not everyone uses SIRI).

Want to place icons anywhere you like? Nope. Customize your icons or adjust how many are on the springboard? Nope.

I know I have made these arguments before, but they are worth making again.

The problem here though is that you don't even know what you're missing if you don't jailbreak. People just accept what Apple offers. A halfway solution is better than no solution when stock, sure, but things look a lot different from my perspective.

 

[bufffilm]

I have to disagree here. Not too much, but still…

Apple's approach to things can be unique and novel and is one of the reasons I like certain Apple products, but when it comes to other approaches Apple often implements things either in a half-assed way or just badly. Or some times they just don't feel at all like implementing a feature.

I hate to bring jailbreaking in to the topic, but it's the only way to illustrate what I mean. Apple's Quick Reply for SMS/iMessages is just ridiculous compared to what BiteSMS used to do…all the way back to iOS 5 and perhaps even farther.

Call blocking compared to iBlacklist? Night Shift compared to f.lux?

And in the case of not even offering something, Apple STILL makes you unlock your iPhone and open an app in order to make a phone call (yes, you can do it with SIRI from the lockscreen but not everyone uses SIRI).

Want to place icons anywhere you like? Nope. Customize your icons or adjust how many are on the springboard? Nope.

I know I have made these arguments before, but they are worth making again.

The problem here though is that you don't even know what you're missing if you don't jailbreak. People just accept what Apple offers. A halfway solution is better than no solution when stock, sure, but things look a lot different from my perspective.

Not to rain on your parade...but I don't see what you typed and the post you were responding to...and seeing that they are tied together in a meaningful way.

 

[eyoungren]

Not to rain on your parade...but I don't see what you typed and the post you were responding to...and seeing that they are tied together in a meaningful way.

@Relentless Power was speaking about features and how Apple sometimes delays but when they do offer certain features they do it in an Apple way that's often better than the way others are doing it.

While I agree to a certain extent, I do not fully agree with that. I've been jailbreaking too long to accept what Apple considers to be features some times as anything more than a half-baked implementation of a feature I may currently be using via jailbreak.

Now, if we are speaking solely of hardware when it comes to features, that's a little different for me. That simply comes down to what I think should/should not be a feature and what Apple thinks. Since I don't often agree with Apple in that regard it's a pretty good thing that I don't actually have to use those hardware features.

 

[44267547]

Now, if we are speaking solely of hardware when it comes to features, that's a little different for me. That simply comes down to what I think should/should not be a feature and what Apple thinks. Since I don't often agree with Apple in that regard it's a pretty good thing that I don't actually have to use those hardware features.

I'm familiar with your overall disdain with Apple, regarding their lack of customization options on here, being you via Jailbreak. In the above quote, this is what I was basically referring to, was how they implement certain hardware features that may resemble similar to the competitors, but has a unique spin that Apple does differently and seemingly makes it better or more efficient. Being I have never been exposed to a jailbreak and, I have no issue with the current customization options, as that's all I have ever known, it works for me.

For Example, smaller, incremental improvements over the last three generations of the iPhone(6/6s/7), have been 3D Touch, the stereo speakers, Night shift mode and he Haptic home button. All features that have been slowly introduced, but have seemingly made the iPhone a better user experience. These are the things that I like to see Apple do and improve the iPhone every year.

 

[eyoungren]

I'm familiar with your overall disdain with Apple, regarding their lack of customization options on here, being you via Jailbreak. In the above quote, this is what I was basically referring to, was how they implement certain hardware features that may resemble similar to the competitors, but has a unique spin that Apple does differently and seemingly makes it better or more efficient. Being I have never been exposed to a jailbreak and, I have no issue with the current customization options, as that's all I have ever known, it works for me.

For Example, smaller, incremental improvements over the last three generations of the iPhone(6/6s/7), have been 3D Touch, the stereo speakers, Night shift mode and he Haptic home button. All features that have been slowly introduced, but have seemingly made the iPhone a better user experience. These are the things that I like to see Apple do and improve the iPhone every year.

I get it.

My point in the post I made was not to devalue your opinion, but simply to state that I see things a bit differently.

A few of the things you mention as improving the overall experience via hardware improvements I just don't use at all. So, my experience remains the same until Apple offers something I will use.

Apple Pay being one of those things. And now, via iOS 11 it seems as if near field communications will be opened to developers. Which will probably bring a wealth of other features.

Back to jailbreaking…just to be clear. I am not advocating it or saying everyone should do it. I simply brought it up as a reference for my viewpoint. For me it works. For lots of other people, yourself included, it's not something that attracts you. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Applejuiced]

I have to disagree here. Not too much, but still…

Apple's approach to things can be unique and novel and is one of the reasons I like certain Apple products, but when it comes to other approaches Apple often implements things either in a half-assed way or just badly. Or some times they just don't feel at all like implementing a feature.

I hate to bring jailbreaking in to the topic, but it's the only way to illustrate what I mean. Apple's Quick Reply for SMS/iMessages is just ridiculous compared to what BiteSMS used to do…all the way back to iOS 5 and perhaps even farther.

Call blocking compared to iBlacklist? Night Shift compared to f.lux?

And in the case of not even offering something, Apple STILL makes you unlock your iPhone and open an app in order to make a phone call (yes, you can do it with SIRI from the lockscreen but not everyone uses SIRI).

Want to place icons anywhere you like? Nope. Customize your icons or adjust how many are on the springboard? Nope.

I know I have made these arguments before, but they are worth making again.

The problem here though is that you don't even know what you're missing if you don't jailbreak. People just accept what Apple offers. A halfway solution is better than no solution when stock, sure, but things look a lot different from my perspective.

Tell me about it, I wish Apple adopted more JB additions and popular hacks on Cydia.
You know by mentioning BiteSMS you make my heart cry
I really wish there was something like that available by Apple.
That was my all time favorite JB package.

 

[bufffilm]

Tell me about it, I wish Apple adopted more JB additions and popular hacks on Cydia.
You know by mentioning BiteSMS you make my heart cry
I really wish there was something like that available by Apple.
That was my all time favorite JB package.

What was so special about BiteSMS and what is still missing in iMessage that was in the former?

I didn't have a smartphone prior to the 6s.

 

[nviz22]

Why not? There is a big difference in the SE and 8. If you want "no frills" don't you think the SE is closer to what you are wanting?

Let me redefine no-frills as how it applies to my usage. So I want a phone with high end technology that simply works for about two years or so after I get it. My best bet would be an iPhone, albeit I sacrifice the Galaxy features I covet (smart actions, split-screen multi-tasking, dual edge screens, and UI aesthetics).

With the iPhone OLED model, my expectations are a Galaxy S8 with iOS minus the dual edge screens. I get back iMessage and FaceTime on a daily driver. I expect an Iris scanner, facial detection, an always on FP sensor, exclusive iOS 11 features, an OLED display around 2800 x 1342 or 2436 x 1135, wireless charging, quick charging, better dual camera setup, a new body design, A11 processor.

With that being said, the S8 is a great phone, but I am fearful of its artificially fast denigration because Samsung phones lag after a lot of time, the phone will not receive consistent support, and the battery life with the Snapdragon processor is abysmal to mediocre at best. I do love having great hardware and the phone is really reliable excluding the occasional hiccups w/ lag and bugs with Google Assistant (probably Samsung's doing).

However, I just feel that the iPhone 8 will be a great phone to use for 2-3 years. I also plan on disconnecting myself from frequent phone news because a lot of phones are barely different than past models while the price tag keeps going up for flagships.

 

[ctrlzone]

With the legal issues stemming between Apple and Qualcomm, Apple's past with the iPhone 5 and LTE, and Samsung pushing new 600 MHz tech, should I be weary about an iPhone 8 purchase?

I am leaning towards the iPhone 8 (once it comes out) to get more reliable software, stronger battery life, better apps, and Apple support. I will miss the dual edge screens, split screen multi-tasking, some UI elements, Samsung Pay, smart features, Always on Display.

I am banking on the idea Apple expands iOS 11 for the iPhone 8, Iris/Retina scanning, a front FP sensor underneath the screen, a high end AMOLED display, the A11 processor + 3 or 4 GB RAM combo, better dual cameras, stronger signal quality (doubt it with Intel, but worth hoping for), quick charging, wireless charging, a nice ergonomic redesign, and anything else better would be a welcomed edition.

But my concerns are that Intel and T-Mobile made my experience slightly worse for phone calls, Apple lagged behind on LTE and other radio features like 256 WQAM and 4x4 MIMO. Samsung is also encroaching territories where T-Mobile's network favors a Galaxy. I don't want to deal with Samsung's possible bog down after a honey moon experience just to have more favorable software. I rather have something no frills to be fair. Thoughts? Or is it too early to tell?

PS I know it's all speculative at this point.

reading your post and the things you care about, i say
an iPhone is clearly not for you

 

[nviz22]

reading your post and the things you care about, i say
an iPhone is clearly not for you

Because it sounds like I want the cutting edge while Apple is about refining the user experience and offering a reliable experience without as much flare?

 

[44267547]

I get it.

My point in the post I made was not to devalue your opinion, but simply to state that I see things a bit differently.

A few of the things you mention as improving the overall experience via hardware improvements I just don't use at all. So, my experience remains the same until Apple offers something I will use.

Apple Pay being one of those things. And now, via iOS 11 it seems as if near field communications will be opened to developers. Which will probably bring a wealth of other features.

Back to jailbreaking…just to be clear. I am not advocating it or saying everyone should do it. I simply brought it up as a reference for my viewpoint. For me it works. For lots of other people, yourself included, it's not something that attracts you. Nothing wrong with that.

I know you get it. Nor am I trying to insinuate anything you likely wouldn't know already about the iPhone. Aside from the hardware advancements, I don't have an issue with Apples customization and control as it stands, because that's all I have ever been exposed to as I mentioned before, being that's how most users are adapted to.

Regarding jailbreaking, I know you're not trying influence anyone of that, being its certainly not for everyone and that applies to a select demographic.

Regarding your comment about some of the hardware improvements that you don't use, that's just how it is, not every feature will apply to someone and I understand from your previous threads you commented on, you're fatigued of Apples physical design and lack of advancements. I Don't really forsee a median for iPhone users, either you appreciate their customization and hardware, or you don't. As you mentioned in a previous thread, you stated you were going to start exploring possibly Android later this year if the new iPhone doesn't meet your expectations. Perhaps that may be more appropriate path if the iPhone 8 is not for you. , aside from abandoning your jailbreak. (Although, We know your Mac line will remain in existence always.)

 

[eyoungren]

(Although, We know your Mac line will remain in existence always.)

LOL, yes, that will surely stay.

You also probably know that I don't sell my devices. Whatever else I think of Apple there is a sale for them later this year when I replace my current iPad. I want the larger size iPad Pro.

My daughter may get the current iPad and my son will be given the choice of my iPhone or his mother's iPhone when we upgrade as a reward for one year of taking care of his current iPhone without incident.

That will kick back another iPhone 5 as a secondary device again. My current 5 actually has it's own line on T-Mobile so it's being used to.

So…even if I do move on the old devices will remain and be used.