iPhone 8 features that have not been mentioned

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  1. SteveJobs2.0 macrumors 6502a

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    Most people are focused on Touch ID (or the lack there of) and the OLED screen, but what about other features that will be IPhone 8 specific? I am thinking:
    - higher resolution slow-mo video
    - hdr video
    - 4K 60 video mode (would help to sell those 256GB models)
     
  2. af21187 macrumors 6502

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    Nobody knows until the keynote. All speculation until then.
     
  3. Relentless Power macrumors G5

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    We know it's all speculation, that's why the OP is asking.

    Other possible noted iPhone 8 (OLED) features:

    Increased water resistance
    Iris scanning/Facial recognition
    Wireless charging capabilities (Glass Back)
    4 GB of Ram
    Vertical Camera (ARKit)
     
  4. Newtons Apple macrumors G5

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    It is not an 8 exclusive but the new OS will open up the NFC chips for other duties than just Apple Pay. The new OS is as exciting as the new phone.
     
  5. Infiniverse48 macrumors 6502a

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    A vertical camera module is not in any way for AR.

    It's vertical for one purpose: internal engineering.
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    We have a great idea of many features.

    We currently do not know if there are more planets than we have found to this very moment. We can speculate that there are more. Based on evidence there is a 99.9% chance there are more planets.

    Based on evidence there is a 95% confidence level that one 2017 iPhone will have an OLED display and be near-bezeless.
     
  6. TheRealAlex macrumors 65816

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    If you have tried the new 10.5" iPad Pro you would add to your list 120hz Pro Motion it looks amazing.
    Also VR support if Apple allows it the iPhone 8 would instantly be the best selling and have the biggest VR Market Share for Gamers and Developers.

    So my list is

    - 120hz Pro Motion
    - VR support (requires at least a 96hz refresh rate so you don't get dizzy or vomit and the motion is smooth)
    - Wireless charging.
    - 1440p resolution because they purchased the same 5.8"1440p OLED panels from Samsung
    - The Ability the Record 4K 60fps HDR Video is a Huge leap and something very few cameras can do.

    As of Right now. Sadly reliable sources indicate

    - No Gigabit LTE
    - 120hz Promotion Doubtful
    - Delayed Launch very short supply til 2018
    - And 5.8" is a bit on the small side.

    Besides if I have to wait til 2018 to be able to walk into a store and buy I'd rather just wait til the IPhone 8s Plus comes out with Samsung's new 6.2" OLED Displays they are giving the Galaxy Note 8
     
  7. Relentless Power macrumors G5

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    You're Incorrect. One of the many reasons discussed why Apple is switching orientation partially with the camera is due to ARKit. Conversely, With ARKit, the vertical camera will assist the iPhone to better analyze the display depicted by the camera and locate horizontal planes ina room. It's been discussed the vertical camera placement will better assist detecting horizontal planes with tables/floors with more accurate measurement can track to put remote objects on to various platforms .

    Furthermore, "The iPhone 8 is said to use a VCSEL (vertical-cavity surface-emitting laser) system for the rear camera module, which Apple is working on a rear-facing 3D laser system that will enable better depth detection for augmented reality apps and more accurate autofocus."

    https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...roved-autofocus-and-ar.2056327/#post-24794870

    ARKit Will generate better use of the camera sensor to conjure the given amount of light detected, which applies the correct amount of lighting to a virtual object by having a more concrete placement with the use of the vertical camera.

    A vertical camera will also operate better as a augmented reality headset with the use
    With Daydream or Cardboard in the new vertical position.

    Physically, The vertical camera makes sense more sense hardware based. If Apple wants to make the dispaly more up top, it would require the rear camera vertical to fit screen behind. The current display and current camera set up is too thick for horizontal.
     
  8. Infiniverse48 macrumors 6502a

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    No. There is only one purpose for the vertical camera as opposed to horizontal: internal engineering.

    It's hilarious you suggest that
    A: Apple is going to sell a head-mounted hardware for the iPhone, ever.
    B: That it helps with head-mounted hardware.

    Where do you people come up with these absolutely ridiculous ideas which go directly against all logic?

    P.S. the rumored AR improvements have patently nothing to do with the vertical camera, whatsoever. That's called an infrared light and sensor which is completely different from the visible light sensors used for image capture.
     
  9. Relentless Power, Jul 14, 2017
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    Wrong. Patently? How would we know what's been patented for an unreleased product? Regardless, VSCEL is one of the possibilities AR will be utilizing. It's already been discussed potentially why the vertical camera rotation is partially for ARkit utilizing the way the sensors will be integrate better for Augmented reality. And nor Did I suggest Apple is going to sell anything headmounted for hardware, I only suggested Day Dream or Cardboard will it potentially lead to based on its current capabilities from its origin. Unless we are discusisng two different things, It's the iPhone/iPad that you're using for augmented reality device as I already noted and in which they demonstrated recently during WWDC.

    Also, Apple isn't just switching the camera from horizontal to vertical for the saks of of AR alone. Its also likely due to the physical limitations with the new iPhone and how the display is manufactured.

    It Goes beyond your excuse for internal engineering just for the vertical camera. It Has to do with the sake engineering the iPhone 8 display and purportedly for AR capabilities using the sensors. Say what you want believe what you want, but those are the exact reasons why they're doing it.

    But then again, debating unannounced capabilities for A vertical camera proves nothing, because Apple hasn't definitively confirmed any other reasons for the orientation switch, other than what's been discussed and demoed.
     
  10. Infiniverse48 macrumors 6502a

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    Let me explain internal engineering for you: it's the planned layout of the internals of the iPhone. It's the layout using the internal area. The 2017 iPhone switches from a horizontal camera module to a vertical camera module for one reason: so it can fit inside the device. See, the front, top of the device now has dual cameras, dual infrared sensors, an infrared light, and the speaker of course. These cannot physically sit inside the device while the camera module sits horizontal. They would overlap. For this reason and aesthetics (the vertical cameras actually follows the design better due to length/width), the camera module switched orientation. That's all. Nothing to do with AR. The only way the camera is better for AR this time is due to the fact that the sensors are about 1/4" further apart due to placing the flash in between them. This gives a better depth perception to the computer.

    If there is a VSCEL system on the rear of the iPhone, it has nothing to do with the camera module, that's an entirely different set of sensors. It would have its own module.
     
  11. KeanosMagicHat macrumors 65816

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    How come we've gotten so many posts into this thread without someone mentioning Dark Mode as a possible iPhone 8 / OLED exclusive feature?
     
  12. Infiniverse48 macrumors 6502a

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    The idea of Dark Mode being device-specific is absolutely absurd to me.

    Dark Mode is for eye comfort. Nothing more, nothing less. It is not for efficiency gains.

    If Apple released a Dark Mode it would be available on all iOS devices irrespective of display type. That said I was highly disappointed that Apple did not announce a Dark Mode in iOS 11. It's the most important feature that could be added to iOS. Why? Because everyone uses their devices in low ambient light at times, and adjusting the brightness to the minimum does not reduce eye strain like a dark background does. A dark background would probably make people fall asleep far more quickly than a reduction in blue light, which has ambiguous data to back up its efficacy.
     
  13. KeanosMagicHat macrumors 65816

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    I agree, but this is Apple we're talking about.

    There was no need for Siri to be a 4S exclusive back in the day, until they saw it as an upgrade marketing opportunity.
     
  14. macTW macrumors 6502a

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    Didn't know you knew how the internals of the new phone looked. Or how Apple has designed ARKit and the new camera for features and future use.

    smh
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    I think he'd admit defeat if he was actually defeated. Not driven away by someone beating a dead horse about a non-reason for a feature.
     
  15. Relentless Power, Jul 16, 2017
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    Relentless Power macrumors G5

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    That was really my whole point, is that trying to discuss something about a device no one has physically seen yet, Let alone AR capabilities. I made my points, that user didn't agree and it's not worth arguing about something that can't be definitively discussed, because Apple hasn't confirmed otherwise. But everything I said I stand behind, it's just not in agreement. Abandoning the discussion is likely more beneficial than arguing about a camera for the entire thread.
     
  16. Relentless Power, Jul 16, 2017
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    Assumingly, Apple will likely never use Dark Mode, which is highly exacerbated on the iPhone forum, is another reason why Apple Incorporated Night Shift mode. Obviously they have their differences between Night Shift and dark mode, but having one or the other would negate each other to co-exist in all likeliness. Theoretically, Night Shift mode will likely not exist on the iPhone, with Apple itself being one of the main reasons why.

    Furthermore with Night Shift ,Blue light Can affect melatonin, which can disturb the body's sleep patterns (Circadian Study). The Night Shift feature allows the display to be geared towards the red end of the spectrum, where the longer wavelength light, is proven to being easier on the eyes. However, it does not prohibit melatonin production to the degree that blue light can, which if Apple wanted to, they could have opted for Dark mode, but they sided with Night shift.
     
  17. KeanosMagicHat macrumors 65816

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    Night Shift and Dark Mode would serve quite different purposes for me.

    I already use Night Shift during the period of time I may use my iPhone before sleep for the blue light avoidance reason you specify.

    Dark Mode, were it an option, would be on as a default for me, however, all the time.

    This is not for aesthetic reasons, although I do prefer the look, it is for the physical reason that I feel my eyes relax when looking at a dark themed screen versus an extremely bright interface like iOS, especially since v7.

    As I spend probably too much time on my iPhone, I'd much rather my eyes felt relaxed.
     
  18. Infiniverse48 macrumors 6502a

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    I actually do know that with >95% confidence. Since oh...you know, just nearly every single rumor for over a year as stated how the 2017 iPhone will be, and every single year the vast majority of the iPhone is known before it's launched. It's okay to not understand that though.


    As for your ARkit comment, it makes absolutely no sense so I can't actually reply to it.
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    I'm sorry but Dark Mode and Night Shift are not equal in any measure. Dark Mode would make your eyes feel fundamentally better and I would absolutely say that Dark Mode would make users fall asleep far faster than Night Shift. As I said, the data that supports the projected efficacy of blue light and sleep for humans is not at all scientifically conclusive.

    What I can guarantee with 100% certainty is that Dark Mode relaxes the eyes more. How do I know this with 100% certainty? Because I have personally tested it with myself, using my iPhone. All anyone has to do to test this is turn their iPhone on in the dark, and open the iTunes Store app. From there simply switch between the Music and Movies tabs. You'll notice immediately that Apple should add a true Dark Mode immediately.

    That's the reality.
     
  19. Mousesuck, Jul 16, 2017
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    You have no idea what you are taking about...the future of the IPhone, is that there is no Iphone at all, but Augmented reality glasses, eventually Augmented reality contact lenses and ultimately neuro link.

    (In a not so distant future I can imagine the Iphone has the device that houses the hardware that powers the experience but not the place where you experience It)

    One step at the time, the most logical progression is to have a headstrap periferal to fit on your IPhone 8.

    The only way that won’t happen is If Apple already has some super advanced standalone Augmented reality glasses with light field technology to be commercialized within late 2017 to early 2019, which they may very well have or else they will fall behind there competition.

    Augmented reality is not meant to be experienced on the little IPhone screen but on your entire field of view, augmented reality is then future, not oled screens...Apple and every tech company in the world knows that.
     
  20. Infiniverse48 macrumors 6502a

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    There will never be AR glasses that more than a few million people purchase. It will be far more niche than anything released thus far. It is a non-starter in tech. People will NOT wear glasses when they don't absolutely HAVE to for vision correction and even when people need glasses for vision correction, a lot still don't put them on.

    There will definitely never be AR contact lenses. That's even more unlikely and that's saying something. Let me give you a few reasons you didn't bother to think about: contact lenses of any sort require going to an optometrist and getting a physical measurement of your eyes for the lens to physically fit the shape of the lens. They also require going for yearly checkup/new prescriptions. Moreover, contact lenses are vast in different forms where they require good oxygen permutation so that the eyes do not get deprived of oxygen for long periods of time. Putting technologies in them will hurt this.

    I can also guarantee you that the iPhone will not ship with any headmounting hardware. That's one of the most obviously non-Apple things one could imagine them doing. Moreover, no one who likes not being laughed at would put a head mounted iPhone on.

    AR is only coming to devices as they are held up using the camera, as I have known for a long time, because it's what makes logical sense and it's what is acceptable socially.

    There is nothing that is replacing a Smartphone in the next 100 years or more. The thing that will replace a smartphone is when we can physically manipulate neurons in the brain, which could be hundreds of years from now. Enjoy
     
  21. Mousesuck, Jul 16, 2017
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    First, saying that nothing is going to replace smartphones in the next 100 years is the most preposterous absurd afirmation I have ever read on this Forum.

    I won’t even try to contra-argument that since It will be a pain in the ass to convince you otherwise but If you look at technological progress in the last century and compare It to what happened in the last 27 years, since the birth of the internet and continue to think that...what can I say.

    This being said, smartphones in general and specifically the Iphone which only has 10 years, they just don’t have wow factor anymore...they are boring, there really are no more directions to evolve, they can’t technologically expand more than they have.

    Today, the only thing a smartphone manufacture can sell to you, a better screen, a slicker design and a better camera...today, If you have a Iphone 6s in perfect condition, I would say that unless the IPhones 8 is AR first, smartphone second, It will be redundant to buy It.
    Imagine this situation in 5 years, everything will be redundant.

    Technologically smartphones are dead since they can only take us so far as now.
    For tomorrow other technology will replace It, and every major tech company on the world is betting that Augmented reality is that technology and I assure you, you will use glasses, meanwhile enjoy.

    Also, It is called diffusion not permutation, things that we can actually say for sure, that and this facts, Augmented reality is here to stay, It is the future and Apple is a major player in this technology and that AR is not supposed to be experienced on a smartphone screen. Everything else, ideas.
     
  22. Infiniverse48 macrumors 6502a

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    Nope. No one will wear AR glasses except for uber-dorks who don't get girlfriends as a result.

    Smartphones will continue to be. There is nothing to replace them, as I told you. The future is irrelevant because the jump to what replaces smartphone is at least a hundred years away in human advancement. As I said what replaces the smartphone is neuron manipulation. The smartphone will continue to be on the person, in their pocket, it's the portable computer. There will be many technologies that are also brought with a person that will be powered computationally via that smartphone in your pocket, but AR glasses will not be one of those, because people won't wear them. Period.

    Also, I meant to type permeation
     
  23. Pakaku macrumors 68000

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    If it doesn't support 24bit 192k music, I'm not interested in spending $1.5K on it. I know what I want is a really niche thing, but come on.
     
  24. Mousesuck macrumors regular

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    We are not talking about huge heavy glasses, we are talking about sun glasses form factor, everybody uses sunglasses. Hell, even optical correction glasses are all the rage since a couple of years with all that hipster ****.

    We also aren’t talking about google glasses augmented reality, we are talking about Mixed Reality, a concept where the real and the virtual world coexist in the same plane and are practically undistinguible.

    You are underestimating how powerful, paradigm shift and just plain cool that technology would be.

    Girls and people for that matter, that judge you on what you have, are the dorks not the otherway around.
     
  25. Infiniverse48 macrumors 6502a

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    No, you misunderstand me actually, I'm not saying that it wouldn't be useful. In fact, I believe AR glasses would be absolutely world-changing in the possibilities they allow for, but nothing is world-changing that people won't do, and people won't wear glasses. I also do not picture Google Glass. I picture perfectly normal eyeglasses. Yes, people do wear sunglasses, and that is when it is sunny, and also because sunglasses actually look cool from a social perspective. Eyeglasses do not look cool, they look useful. The problem is, people won't wear eyeglasses that don't absolutely have to. AR glasses therefore, have no chance.

    AR will come to cars, aquariums, zoos, firefighter helmets, soldiers' visors, etc. not glasses. AR will be used on smartphones and tablets (mainly smartphones) by holding them up toward the environment for short periods of time to get information.
     

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