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Seems to be a lot of hate around the iPhone 8 (I’m a poet and I didn’t know it!). Lots of people say it’s the same phone as the iPhone 7.

Let’s go through the “upgrades”, shall we?

- A11 (best chip in a smartphone)
- new camera (highest rated camera on a smartphone)
- 64gb base model (albeit the $50 price increase, shame on you Apple!)
- wireless charging
- True Tone display
- HDR 10 / Dolby Vision
- Portrait Lighting
- the most durable glass ever on a smartphone (shatter resistance)
- Bluetooth 5.0
- louder speakers (skip to 2:30)


(Over the X)
- a home button
- a display with four corners

I’d say that’s a pretty decent upgrade.

Yes it’s an old design.
Yes they should have updated it.

However, to say this is “the same phone as the 7” is asinine. There are some great upgrades to be had with the 8 outside of its tired design. I’d argue this is a bigger upgrade over the 7, than the 7 was to the 6s.
 
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People just want to validate their purchases. If you're sticking with your still awesome iPhone 6S or iPhone 7 you want to validate that. If you're getting the iPhone X you want to validate that by boasting about its superiority.

Not saying everyone does that, but these people that say the iPhone 8 is a failure are. Yes, it's a stopgap, but a very good phone. It's not meant to entice iPhone 7 users. It's made to target the iPhone 6 and earlier (and some 6S).

The iPhone X is the luxury model. Some are just not sold on the idea yet.
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Yes it’s an old design.
Yes they should have updated it.

No it's not really. It's completely new materials and design for this general shape. Was the iPhone 5 a new design from the iPhone 4S? Yes, it was considered new. The same is true for the iPhone 8.

Just as the iPhone 5 reused the rectangular box, the 6 reuses the curved slate.
 
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Seems to be a lot of hate around the iPhone 8 (I’m a poet and I didn’t know it!). Lots of people say it’s the same phone as the iPhone 7.

Let’s go through the new features, shall we?

- A11 (best chip in a smartphone)
- new camera (highest rated camera on a smartphone)
- 64gb base model (albeit the $50 price increase, shame on you Apple!)
- wireless charging
- True Tone display
- HDR 10 / Dolby Vision
- louder speakers (saw a video, they were noticeably louder and more clear....can’t find the review)
- the most durable glass ever on a smartphone
(Over the X)
- a home button
- a display with four corners

I’d say that’s a pretty decent upgrade.

Yes it’s an old design.
Yes they should have updated it.

However, to say this is “the same phone as the 7” is asinine. There are some great upgrades to be had with the 8 outside of its tired design. I’d argue this is a bigger upgrade over the 7, than the 7 was to the 6s.

You are overstating the new features.

Wireless charging was the only 'new' feature. The rest were essentially upgrades/enhancements to what was there in some form already.

Yes, the CPU and camera improvements were very nice bumps. But I disagree with you and Apple that the phone deserved the ip8/+ designation.

IpX deserved it. The standard models did not.
 
This thing would have been delivering around Xmas a few hours into pre-orders if the X wasn't available. Last years updates were smaller than this years from 7--->8 and that thing was hard to get ahold of for months.
 
You are overstating the new features.

Wireless charging was the only 'new' feature. The rest were essentially upgrades/enhancements to what was there in some form already.

Yes, the CPU and camera improvements were very nice bumps. But I disagree with you and Apple that the phone deserved the ip8/+ designation.

IpX deserved it. The standard models did not.

Add HDR / True Tone to that list. Those are added, not upgrades.

You could say OLED is an “upgrade”, and you’d be right. Upgrades are a good thing :).
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This thing would have been delivering around Xmas a few hours into pre-orders if the X wasn't available. Last years updates were smaller than this years from 7--->8 and that thing was hard to get ahold of for months.
No one knows the amount of stock Apple had available for the 7, it’s a completely blind assumption you’re making.
 
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Yes, the CPU and camera improvements were very nice bumps. But I disagree with you and Apple that the phone deserved the ip8/+ designation.

IpX deserved it. The standard models did not.

Did the iPhone 7 deserve it last year? That may have been a smaller update than this one.
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This thing would have been delivering around Xmas a few hours into pre-orders if the X wasn't available. Last years updates were smaller than this years from 7--->8 and that thing was hard to get ahold of for months.
Remember too that last year, every carrier was offering a free iPhone 7 with bill credits. I have 4 people in my family alone with the phone being paid off by AT&T, 3 of them would not have upgraded elsewhere.
 
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People just want to validate their purchases. If you're sticking with your still awesome iPhone 6S or iPhone 7 you want to validate that. If you're getting the iPhone X you want to validate that by boasting about its superiority.

Not saying everyone does that, but these people that say the iPhone 8 is a failure are. Yes, it's a stopgap, but a very good phone. It's not meant to entice iPhone 7 users. It's made to target the iPhone 6 and earlier (and some 6S).

The iPhone X is the luxury model. Some are just not sold on the idea yet.
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No it's not really. It's completely new materials and design for this general shape. Was the iPhone 5 a new design from the iPhone 4S? Yes, it was considered new. The same is true for the iPhone 8.

Just as the iPhone 5 reused the rectangular box, the 6 reuses the curved slate.
I have to disagree. The 5 and the 4 shares similar design characteristics, but were different designs.

The 6,7,8 all have the same design, just with different materials.

While I like the all glass finish, I don’t consider it a new design, but rather a refinement of the design.
 
I have to disagree. The 5 and the 4 shares similar design characteristics, but were different designs.

The 6,7,8 all have the same design, just with different materials.

While I like the all glass finish, I don’t consider it a new design, but rather a refinement of the design.
But isn't that also the iPhone X? They have a larger screen, but it's still the curved slate design.
 
But isn't that also the iPhone X? They have a larger screen, but it's still the curved slate design.
You could say that all smartphones have the same design, if that’s the separation you’re giving it.

I think a curved slate design is a pretty broad definition of design.
 
I like my 8. I like my SE. I liked my 6, and the phones before it. I upgraded when I wanted to, and have never cared what others think or needed to put down the purchases of others to justify my own. Each phone is better than the last.
 
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