iPhone 8 no more white front?

[Kevsta26]

I don’t think it would be possible given the new design of the screen going on both sides of the speaker. That space will obviously always be black which, on an OLED screen, would be black enough to blend in with the black front. If the front was white, there’s no way the screen could always be so white it would blend in with that.

Any thoughts?

 

[Jimmy James]

Since a black front is better than a white front this sounds fine.

 

[KeanosMagicHat]

With an OLED screen, I believe there's a very good chance that a white model wouldn't have any white at the front.

However, I also think that looks good as per this forum member's iPhone . . . .

 

[nieks]

True, I was a bit anxious as to how it would turn out, but switching everything into a white rear accentuates the black front. Would it be OLED, it would look absolutely stunning. Therefor, I definitely hope Apple will give the iPhone 8 a white case and a black front. Kind of looking back to the 3G(s):

Anyway, one of these days I'll be posting a small report with some more pictures.

 

[Newtons Apple]

Sorry but want no white bezel.

 

[nieks]

Sorry but want no white bezel.

Yeah, that's what this topic is about, am I right? That Apple should NOT do a white bezel on an OLED phone?

 

[d5aqoëp]

Good riddance I would say. White front always looked fugly.

 

[44267547]

Place me in the minority. I had no issue with a white bezel. But I welcome a uniform display being all black as well.

 

[deuxani]

I always say that an iPhone with the screen off looks better being all black, but with the screen on the white looks much better. Almost the entire interface on iOS is completely white, so white bezels match that much better when you are actually using the device.

 

[kdarling]

Almost the entire interface on iOS is completely white, so white bezels match that much better when you are actually using the device.

I prefer black front, but you bring up a good point, which is that iOS is not likely to go dark. Even Android went pretty much light colored.

A lot of people assume that because OLED uses less power when black, that the UI must follow. However, there are at least three facts that contradict this idea.

1. Contrary to mistaken popular belief, the LCD screens used in iPhones ALSO use more power to show white and less power to show black. Yet Apple went white anyway.

2. Once you start displaying text and graphics on a blank screen, some of the black power advantage goes away.

3. OLED gets more efficient all the time, and power consumption with a bright screen can be basically equivalent to LCD at this point. So again, no reason for Apple to change color schemes.

 

[Vanilla35]

I prefer black front, but you bring up a good point, which is that iOS is not likely to go dark. Even Android went pretty much light colored.

A lot of people assume that because OLED uses less power when black, that the UI must follow. However, there are at least three facts that contradict this idea.

1. Contrary to mistaken popular belief, the LCD screens used in iPhones ALSO use more power to show white and less power to show black. Yet Apple went white anyway.

2. Once you start displaying text and graphics on a blank screen, some of the black power advantage goes away.

3. OLED gets more efficient all the time, and power consumption with a bright screen can be basically equivalent to LCD at this point. So again, no reason for Apple to change color schemes.

I've been saying for a long time that we are not going to have much if any improvement from the OLED screen for efficiency purposes (basically for the reasons you listed above). The larger battery will help immensely though, to extend battery life.

 

[Phonzoxd]

All my phones have had a white front. Please dont remove it.

 

[Superrjamz54]

I don’t think it would be possible given the new design of the screen going on both sides of the speaker. That space will obviously always be black which, on an OLED screen, would be black enough to blend in with the black front. If the front was white, there’s no way the screen could always be so white it would blend in with that.

Any thoughts?

The change to a black only in a OLED phone is to hide all of the new sensors that are placed on it since there is no bezel and there are way more sensors.

 

[KeanosMagicHat]

I prefer black front, but you bring up a good point, which is that iOS is not likely to go dark. Even Android went pretty much light colored.

A lot of people assume that because OLED uses less power when black, that the UI must follow. However, there are at least three facts that contradict this idea.

1. Contrary to mistaken popular belief, the LCD screens used in iPhones ALSO use more power to show white and less power to show black. Yet Apple went white anyway.

2. Once you start displaying text and graphics on a blank screen, some of the black power advantage goes away.

3. OLED gets more efficient all the time, and power consumption with a bright screen can be basically equivalent to LCD at this point. So again, no reason for Apple to change color schemes.

I really hope you're wrong about this – I'm still looking for a last minute dark mode option with the introduction of the new iPhone.

It's looking more likely that you'll be right though – sadly for me.

 

[WilliamG]

I prefer black front, but you bring up a good point, which is that iOS is not likely to go dark. Even Android went pretty much light colored.

A lot of people assume that because OLED uses less power when black, that the UI must follow. However, there are at least three facts that contradict this idea.

1. Contrary to mistaken popular belief, the LCD screens used in iPhones ALSO use more power to show white and less power to show black. Yet Apple went white anyway.

2. Once you start displaying text and graphics on a blank screen, some of the black power advantage goes away.

3. OLED gets more efficient all the time, and power consumption with a bright screen can be basically equivalent to LCD at this point. So again, no reason for Apple to change color schemes.

You have a source for any of that stuff, especially number 1.?

 

[Vanilla35]

I really hope you're wrong about this – I'm still looking for a last minute dark mode option with the introduction of the new iPhone.

It's looking more likely that you'll be right though – sadly for me.

They already introduced what they will be doing as far as dark mode. It's called smart invert color or something. It's basically a half assed dark mode that likely no one will use, for that very reason.

Seems like they treated it as a "fix" for the overly white OS, and not an opinion for those who prefer a dark theme instead.

 

[kdarling]

The change to a black only in a OLED phone is to hide all of the new sensors that are placed on it since there is no bezel and there are way more sensors.

Good point.

I really hope you're wrong about this – I'm still looking for a last minute dark mode option with the introduction of the new iPhone.

I'd like that too. Okay let's be optimistic, and change my "not likely to go dark" to "doesn't have to go dark, but would be cool if they did"

You have a source for any of that stuff, especially number 1.?

Let's start with #1, since I've talked about this common misconception many times before. Tired today, so I'll repost one of my previous explanations:

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It all depends on what the resting mode of an LCD panel is, black or white. That is, whether the crystals default to passing light up through the second polarizer, when _not_ activated by power.

While older type (e.g. TN) LCDs do usually default to a white resting mode (meaning it takes slightly less power to be all white), and that's what most people remember from years ago...

... IPS LCDs such as used in the iPhone default to a black rest mode. Thus, just as with OLEDs, it takes more power to activate the crystals to let the light through to make a white screen.

Moreover, unlike OLEDs, LCDs used in mobile devices have backlights that are always on with the display. So both all white or all black (more like all grey) still takes the same backlight power.

 

[craigio85]

My 7 plus is silver with the white front plate and it's the sole reason I'm looking to upgrade in September. I went with silver over black on a whim. In broad daylight, I like the white, but as soon as I'm anywhere with dim lighting it looks an off-white cream colour. I also find the white bezels to be a bit of a distraction when watching videos.

I'll be going for black next time even if there are options.

 

[9594864]

They already introduced what they will be doing as far as dark mode. It's called smart invert color or something. It's basically a half assed dark mode that likely no one will use, for that very reason.

Seems like they treated it as a "fix" for the overly white OS, and not an opinion for those who prefer a dark theme instead.

A dark mode is not for a dark theme. It is for a human being's eyes. Period. That is all. The only time 99% of users of iOS would use a dark mode is when they are using their device in low ambient light, as it is inferior from an aesthetic standpoint, but far superior for a physical comfort standpoint in low ambient light.

There should absolutely be a dark mode available for low ambient light, but that is absolutely the only purpose it serves. Not efficiency gains, and not aesthetic.
[doublepost=1500147888][/doublepost]I'm not sure why this topic is even debated? There's a 100% chance that the iPhone will only be available with a black front. It's not even something you'd question, it's simply obvious given the design.

No iPhone in the future will have any front that isn't black, aside from the 7s and 7s Plus, which do not have the near-bezeless design.

 

[craigio85]

I'm not sure why this topic is even debated? There's a 100% chance that the iPhone will only be available with a black front. It's not even something you'd question, it's simply obvious given the design.

No iPhone in the future will have any front that isn't black, aside from the 7s and 7s Plus, which do not have the near-bezeless design.

The design isn't confirmed and the leaks are still split on whether there will be a lip at the top of the screen. I actually think it's far more likely the screen will have a flat top with a small area of bezel to house the front facing camera. So still possible that there will be a white version.

 

[9594864]

The design isn't confirmed and the leaks are still split on whether there will be a lip at the top of the screen. I actually think it's far more likely the screen will have a flat top with a small area of bezel to house the front facing camera. So still possible that there will be a white version.

The leaks aren't 'split'. At least 95% of the leaks for the premium iPhone say it will have a cutout in the top of the display which will house the only significant bezel on the device. Within this will be the dual infrared sensors, dual camera sensors, infrared light emitter, earpiece speaker, and ambient light/proximity sensors. This is the design, and we have at least a >90% confidence level in this.

This is a very simple thing to understand in terms of why they choose to do this. It's simply the only feasible methodology to gain access to the maximal percentage of face real estate. They specifically pulled every one of those sensors toward the center of the face as they could, and made the earpiece cutout at least 1/2 as wide to gain more space for this purpose. Doing all of this was specifically to allow the OLED display to be cut in a manner that gives space on either side of this cutout at the top. In this space on either side Apple will use new APIs and new UI elements to push more content on the face of the device. The alternative as you suggested is to not do this, and in not doing this you give up that extra space which can be useful if useful elements are designed to be used in these spaces.

Knowing this is the design we obviously can conclude through basic logic that the top will be completely black and therefore the entire face of the device will be a black bezel and only a black bezel. There will not be a white bezel any longer. Just picture the Apple Watch if you want to know the future of iPhone faces, because like the watches, all will be black bezels.

 

[WilliamG]

Good point.



I'd like that too. Okay let's be optimistic, and change my "not likely to go dark" to "doesn't have to go dark, but would be cool if they did"



Let's start with #1, since I've talked about this common misconception many times before. Tired today, so I'll repost one of my previous explanations:

---
It all depends on what the resting mode of an LCD panel is, black or white. That is, whether the crystals default to passing light up through the second polarizer, when _not_ activated by power.

While older type (e.g. TN) LCDs do usually default to a white resting mode (meaning it takes slightly less power to be all white), and that's what most people remember from years ago...

... IPS LCDs such as used in the iPhone default to a black rest mode. Thus, just as with OLEDs, it takes more power to activate the crystals to let the light through to make a white screen.

Moreover, unlike OLEDs, LCDs used in mobile devices have backlights that are always on with the display. So both all white or all black (more like all grey) still takes the same backlight power.

Thank you for posting. However, I'll still ask you to cite whatever source you got that info from.

What I found...

https://www.quora.com/Does-a-white-background-use-more-energy-on-a-LCD-than-if-it-was-set-to-black

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.androidcentral.com/heres-thing-about-dark-themes-and-battery-savings?amp

And, perhaps most importantly:

https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1793086

 

[KeanosMagicHat]

They already introduced what they will be doing as far as dark mode . . .

You may be correct, but we don't know that for sure, yet.

 

[Amnak]

I've been saying this for a few months. It's like multiple homages to past iPhones and from a design aspect would make the most sense with a black indicator. Although could Apple have a white face if the indicator goes white with black text ????? Thought about that as I type. Obviously being off it would still not be as sleek.

 

[Ugi]

I really hope that the rumoured design ist not gonna happen. People say the white front looks fugly when the rumoured design really is fugly.

The front of a phone is what makes the phone a special company's phone. With completely-bezellless-front phones from various companies all the phones will look the same and the only way to see what phone it is will be the back of the phone and the system ui which is for me not enough. The front is what I see when I use the phone and and I want it to be different from the phones I don't like because of their designs.
I don't want totaly characterless phones and I have an iPhone primary for its design and then for iOS.

The bezels might get a bit slimmer and it would be perfectly fine for me but completely bezellles as the rumours show - no thank you.
And as stated before the white front in direct comparison with the black front blends way better in with iOS period.

https://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/198787-image/Apple-iPhone-7-concept.jpg


This design in September 2017 would make me so much wanting the iPhone 8.

And this for the se successor:
https://img.schnaeppchenfuchs.com/img/33/5d/e2/iphone-se-32-gb.png