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Article spends entire time showing how similar the iPhone 7 Plus and iPhone 8 Plus are to one another and then concludes, "They are completely different!"

Well there are a lot of similarities, as the 8 Plus is an update to the 7 Plus. But the conclusion to the article I read went something more like this:

The key new features of the iPhone 8 Plus include a new glass-backed design, True Tone display, faster A11 Bionic chip, wireless charging, fast charging, 4K video recording at up to 60 FPS, and Bluetooth 5.0.

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Anyone who is truly middle class can afford the 8 or the X. The difference is 10¢ an hour for a full-time worker in the US.

A lot of people will self-describe as middle class, but in reality they are not. They just don't want to think of themselves as being in the lower economic class.

10 cents an hour if you work 3000 hours a year.....closer to 15-20 cents an hour for most of us.

But anyway, just because you can comfortably afford to the throw away $300 doesn't mean you should. The fact that you are able to afford something doesn't mean you want to. I'm middle class, I *could* afford a Farrari, but I'd be an idiot to buy one given what else I could do with the money.
 
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10 cents an hour if you work 3000 hours a year.....closer to 15-20 cents an hour for most of us.

But anyway, just because you can comfortably afford to the throw away $300 doesn't mean you should. The fact that you are able to afford something doesn't mean you want to. I'm middle class, I *could* afford a Farrari, but I'd be an idiot to buy one given what else I could do with the money.
In my calculation I used $200/yr for two years, since 2 years interest free financing is available. Then I subtracted $100 for taxes.

Re: the Ferrari, I agree that being able to afford something is different from whether it's a smart purchase, given ones personal financial situation. But I think you'd agree that $12/month for two years is hardly Ferrari money.

My point was if you're middle class, you can afford the X over the 8. Agree or disagree?
 
In my calculation I used $200/yr for two years, since 2 years interest free financing is available. Then I subtracted $100 for taxes.

Understood. I did the calculation over 1 year.

I did have a longer reply to most of what you said but deleted it, because this is what was important:

My point was if you're middle class, you can afford the X over the 8. Agree or disagree?

Absolutely agree. If you're in a position where an occasional $1000 luxury purchase or unexpected expense will mess up your personal finances, you are not middle class.

My point is its not unreasonable to say you can't afford something when what you really mean is that you've got the money sitting in a savings account with no plans to spend it, but you think the cost of the item is way out of line for its value to you even though someone with a lot more money would just get the item without a second thought.

Plenty of people will buy the iPX without a thought. Plenty more have $1000 sitting in the bank that they don't know what to do with, but will say that can't afford $1000 for that phone.
 
Understood. I did the calculation over 1 year.

I did have a longer reply to most of what you said but deleted it, because this is what was important:



Absolutely agree. If you're in a position where an occasional $1000 luxury purchase or unexpected expense will mess up your personal finances, you are not middle class.

My point is its not unreasonable to say you can't afford something when what you really mean is that you've got the money sitting in a savings account with no plans to spend it, but you think the cost of the item is way out of line for its value to you even though someone with a lot more money would just get the item without a second thought.

Plenty of people will buy the iPX without a thought. Plenty more have $1000 sitting in the bank that they don't know what to do with, but will say that can't afford $1000 for that phone.

And there’s plenty of us middle class that deem this device too expensive and not worthy of the rediculous asking price. Meanwhile, the people who really can’t afford this purchase will buy on credit and inflict financial pain on themselves to have the latest and greatest at all cost
 
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Oh wow, well a lot has changed since you were on Android then. Are you looking to make a switch to Android now, and if so, why? I am by no means an expert as everyone here well knows, but if I can be of any help just ask. If I don't know something chances are I ran across an article that might help.

Oh and for Samsung, they have pretty much their own services for everything including their own browser which is good, and you can use your iCloud email account with a Samsung phone. But it is hard to avoid Google and having a Google account when using Android.

I am unhappy with some of the choices that Apple has made recently but there are 2 primary reasons I am very hesitant to leave:
  1. I have an investment in the Apple ecosystem as far as computers, phones, movies and music goes. Not impossible to change (I've switched from Apple to Amiga to OS/2 (anyone remember them?) to MS and back to Apple for computers/personal devices.
  2. Apple SEEMS to have a commitment to privacy. Looking at the Equifax situation highlights how having a company work to keep your information private is a novelty. But they've had their leaks too. And maybe they aren't as pure intentioned as most people think they are.
I have a few Samsung items. Mostly household goods like refrigerator and TV's. Good stuff, but IF they break the service is absolutely horrible, at least in my area. I have had pretty good luck with Apple service when something has failed. With a few items, like an early iPad, they replaced the unit even though I dropped it and broke the screen, and I didn't have Apple Care. Not everyone has that kind of luck with service or repairs, but it did buy a lot of personal loyalty. And I have purchased Apple Care for all my other Apple products since then.

I have had several interactions with Google over the years. Dealing with them has gone from pretty stress free to check to see if you still have all your stuff after they leave. There moto used to be 'Don't be Evil". Used to be.

But Apple also isn't the company they used to be either. The best way I can describe my feelings about them is 'fluff'. It used to be that they did things in ways no one else did. Not for the entire history of the company, but certainly in the early to 2000's to 2010 or so. Now it seems that being flashy is more important than being good at what you do and make.

Because of point #2 above, I am probably going to still buy my next phone from Apple. It may not be this year, or this model. I was kind of looking forward to buying a new phone, but now I'm ambivalent. I am a form follows function person, and my number 1 priority is that something works properly and simply. Apple famously has not really included manuals with their devices. I find myself having to search for how to do things I used to know how to do because it has changed. Change for improvement is good. Change for the sake of change isn't. Sorry for the long winded answer.
 
I am unhappy with some of the choices that Apple has made recently but there are 2 primary reasons I am very hesitant to leave:
  1. I have an investment in the Apple ecosystem as far as computers, phones, movies and music goes. Not impossible to change (I've switched from Apple to Amiga to OS/2 (anyone remember them?) to MS and back to Apple for computers/personal devices.
  2. Apple SEEMS to have a commitment to privacy. Looking at the Equifax situation highlights how having a company work to keep your information private is a novelty. But they've had their leaks too. And maybe they aren't as pure intentioned as most people think they are.
I have a few Samsung items. Mostly household goods like refrigerator and TV's. Good stuff, but IF they break the service is absolutely horrible, at least in my area. I have had pretty good luck with Apple service when something has failed. With a few items, like an early iPad, they replaced the unit even though I dropped it and broke the screen, and I didn't have Apple Care. Not everyone has that kind of luck with service or repairs, but it did buy a lot of personal loyalty. And I have purchased Apple Care for all my other Apple products since then.

I have had several interactions with Google over the years. Dealing with them has gone from pretty stress free to check to see if you still have all your stuff after they leave. There moto used to be 'Don't be Evil". Used to be.

But Apple also isn't the company they used to be either. The best way I can describe my feelings about them is 'fluff'. It used to be that they did things in ways no one else did. Not for the entire history of the company, but certainly in the early to 2000's to 2010 or so. Now it seems that being flashy is more important than being good at what you do and make.

Because of point #2 above, I am probably going to still buy my next phone from Apple. It may not be this year, or this model. I was kind of looking forward to buying a new phone, but now I'm ambivalent. I am a form follows function person, and my number 1 priority is that something works properly and simply. Apple famously has not really included manuals with their devices. I find myself having to search for how to do things I used to know how to do because it has changed. Change for improvement is good. Change for the sake of change isn't. Sorry for the long winded answer.
Oh I don't mind long answers. I'm probably the same generation as you, judging by your references to the Amiga and OS/X and don't need discussions condensed to tweet size. ;) Those are very good reasons for feeling as you do.

My take on it is that things aren't very settled in the Android world right now in terms of customer service and product refinement, either. Samsung is getting closer, but in the US, since we don't have Samsung stores around, getting service can be challenging and you end up in the usual large bureaucratic maze.

For example, my S8+ has a pink stained display, like many S8 and S+ units that came out during the preorder period and possibly even now. Samsung was promising it could be fixed via a software update but they were rolling it out slowly and AT&T was the absolute slowest at rolling it out. I was running past my return period and not sure I wanted to risk getting stuck with this distracting issue. To add insult to injury there were a great number of skeptics saying those of us with the pink tint were imagining it and stuff like that.

So I needed to talk to a human being about my options. I found out there is only one way to deal with them in regards to returns and that's via an 800 service number that was getting absolutely hammered. People were reporting being kept on hold over an hour. There was some huge kerfluffle about Samsung not honoring promotional deals for all customers so that one customer service number was flooded. I tried their help section on their site but got ignored.

I just ended up keeping the phone and deciding to live with the discoloration and vowing to never ever preorder anything from Samsung again. I mean, I had already been through a lot with the Note 7 recall TWICE. Fortunately the fix works, but it means I have to run my display in a mode that utilizes it. I can't use the display setting I'd prefer to use because it doesn't let me use color sliders. Sorry I digress.

I think Samsung is a year away from really hitting their stride with customer service and refinement of their product. I believe Apple is running neck and neck with them. I do think Apple has had their wake up call and will start addressing the things they let slide.

LG is getting closer, too, to where they need to be. The hardware seems to be there but they're still making stupid mistakes. It remains to be seen how committed they are to service. This year could solidify their reputation for next year. They're definitely on the right path but let's see how the V30 does. I think and hope they've finally shaken the stigma of boot loops that plagued some of their models for a couple of generations.

May the gods of electronics have mercy on HTC's soul. They're a hot mess when Google isn't telling them what to design. They're doing some innovative things, truly, but they're making odd design choices and their priorities are wonky. I don't anticipate this year doing anything for them.

Chinese phones aren't on my radar at this point. The longevity isn't there and I can't bring myself to out of dislike for how they disrespect intellectual property rights.

The iPhone 7 Plus has been a really good device for me. As a phone it's okay though. Just okay. I just don't get the consistently clear connections I get with my HTC 10 or my S7 Edge. My S8+ gets a lot of crackle and static, so it's a bit of a step back. Anyway, I keep finding the IPhone 7 Plus in my pocket going with me when I can or want to take only one phone.

I think the iPhone 8 Plus is a nice refinement on an already refined design but it would be nice to see some real reviews before scorching the wallet or credit card for one. :eek:
 
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Apple at its annual September event introduced the iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, and iPhone X.

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iPhone 8 Plus on left and iPhone 7 Plus on right

iPhone X is Apple's new flagship smartphone, with a radically redesigned edge-to-edge OLED display and a TrueDepth front camera system with Face ID facial recognition, but it's also considerably more expensive at $999 and up.

iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus are the natural successors to the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus. The devices aren't dramatically different, but start at $699 and share many improvements like faster A11 Bionic chips and wireless charging.

If you have an iPhone 7 Plus, or are considering purchasing one, you may be wondering how the year-old smartphone stacks up to the iPhone 8 Plus. For that reason, we've created a list of new and unchanged features and tech specs. Read ahead...

Click here to read more...

Article Link: iPhone 8 Plus vs. iPhone 7 Plus: Every New Feature Compared



Apple at its annual September event introduced the iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, and iPhone X.

iphone-7-plus-vs-iphone-8-plus-duo.jpg

iPhone 8 Plus on left and iPhone 7 Plus on right

iPhone X is Apple's new flagship smartphone, with a radically redesigned edge-to-edge OLED display and a TrueDepth front camera system with Face ID facial recognition, but it's also considerably more expensive at $999 and up.

iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus are the natural successors to the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus. The devices aren't dramatically different, but start at $699 and share many improvements like faster A11 Bionic chips and wireless charging.

If you have an iPhone 7 Plus, or are considering purchasing one, you may be wondering how the year-old smartphone stacks up to the iPhone 8 Plus. For that reason, we've created a list of new and unchanged features and tech specs. Read ahead...

Click here to read more...

Article Link: iPhone 8 Plus vs. iPhone 7 Plus: Every New Feature Compared
Think I'll keep my 256gb 7plus. I got this as a replacement for the flaming Note7 and am completely happy with it. Got an offer for a half off Note8 but not going there, either. Having had fast charge, I don't miss it, don't need it. Same is true of wireless charging. I just can't see a benefit worth anything or that I would call an upgrade. Considering the lower(ING) price of the 7plus, I'd recommend buying that to anyone looking to upgrade from any older phone.
 
I was looking foward to Upgrading my 6s Plus with the X. But not digging the screen design and protruding camera at that hefty price. Might just go with an 8plus too or wait another year for the next big thing

The 'notch' is OK on the home screen and some of the apps shown where it works OK with the reception status and battery and other status bar things. When it obscured some of the image that was...weird and clunky. The persistence of the protruding camera since the iPhone 6 is a shame. A smooth back to the X would've been great.
 
I was looking foward to Upgrading my 6s Plus with the X. But not digging the screen design and protruding camera at that hefty price. Might just go with an 8plus too or wait another year for the next big thing

I said it elsewhere, but before I saw live screenshots the notch didn't bother me. Seeing backgrounds and pictures wrap around the notch in the videos of the actual phone did.

For me the camera bump is a non issue, created by the mania for thinness. For imagine stabilization the lens need mechanical adjusters and clearance around the lens to move. If they made the phone 1 mm thicker (about 0.040 thousandths) you wouldn't have or need a bump. Plus you could make the batteries a little thicker and gain life there. The trade offs are a little thicker phone and a little extra weight. Gaining the advantages vs losing style points I would go with the slightly thicker phone, but the bump hasn't bothered me on my iPhone 6.
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I don’t know why no one is mentioning the camera that lets in 80% more light. Even Apple kind of skimmed over it during the presentation. 80% more light is a huge deal to me. All flagship phones take basically perfect, yet indistinguishable pictures in good light. iPhone 7 is good enough is low light. But getting an 80% boost to low light is outstanding and is one of the main reasons I’ll iograde to it
You're right, I don't remember anyone pointing this out, and in photography more light is better.
 
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I don’t know why no one is mentioning the camera that lets in 80% more light. Even Apple kind of skimmed over it during the presentation. 80% more light is a huge deal to me. All flagship phones take basically perfect, yet indistinguishable pictures in good light. iPhone 7 is good enough is low light. But getting an 80% boost to low light is outstanding and is one of the main reasons I’ll iograde to it

Is this light improvement on the 7 plus to 8 plus camera also ?

My camera is probably the most used item on my phone, so I might be willing to move from my 256 7 plus to the 8 plus. I'm on the iUp plan so it somewhat makes it easier for me.

Thanks.
 
Is this light improvement on the 7 plus to 8 plus camera also ?

My camera is probably the most used item on my phone, so I might be willing to move from my 256 7 plus to the 8 plus. I'm on the iUp plan so it somewhat makes it easier for me.

Thanks.

I thought that the X had a wider aperture (f-stop) for at least one of the 2 lenses. Can't look at Apple's web site and tech specs right now but it should be there to compare the 8 to the X.
 
Is this light improvement on the 7 plus to 8 plus camera also ?

My camera is probably the most used item on my phone, so I might be willing to move from my 256 7 plus to the 8 plus. I'm on the iUp plan so it somewhat makes it easier for me.

Thanks.
Yes, the 8/X series is supposed to allow 80% more light than the 7series iphones.
 
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The 8 doesn't look like a 'considerable' upgrade at all. Apple have pushed out the 8 with the least effort. It's perfectly clear they've spend the majority of time developing the X.

Even more obvious when you look at the pricing structure.
7 - Top
6S - Cheaper last year
SE - Bargain model

Now we get (to likely to prevent immediate sticker shock).
X - The Newer Higher Top
8 - Top
7 - Cheaper last year
SE - Bargain

Without the *, that jump from 7 to X would have likely cut deep into sales. So slide the X innards into the 8 body and use it as the price filler and ensure sales don't drop.

JMO YMMV
 
I thought that the X had a wider aperture (f-stop) for at least one of the 2 lenses. Can't look at Apple's web site and tech specs right now but it should be there to compare the 8 to the X.


No, the X doesn't have a wider aperture on either lens. f-stop is the focal length divided by the cross-sectional area of the lens. So when one lens is half the focal length of the other, it's going to be one f-stop "larger" all else being equal -- meaning the lens is no wider.

It's also why cheap consumer grade zooms have a variable f-stop. The lens opening diameter isn't changing but as the focal length changes the length to cross-sectional area ratio changes.

That's how Apple gets to keep pretending they've improved the aperture each time they give you a smaller sensor (requiring a shorter focal length) as well.
 
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Two of those features (wireless and fast charging) require additional hardware that are sold separately. Glass-back and Bluetooth 5.0 do not really change your common use cases. That leaves us with True Tone display and A11 Bionic. I personally think this is an "S" upgrade.
I'm not sure how some of the reviews state the features that make the iPhone 8 different enough to not be an S iteration. The iPhone 6S to 7 included dual camera, water proofing, solid state button, quad core A10 processor which was significantly faster than the A9, stereo speakers, wide gamet display, redesigned antenna bands so slight change to outer case. And that was considered a new generation. There's even less different between the 8 Plus and 7 Plus than there was between the iPhone 6 to 6S. I'm not even sure the iPhone X is worth the upgrade from the 7 Plus. The 7 Plus doesn't lack for speed, will get many slight improvements from iOS 11, including ARKit, so I'm not sure how the iPhones this year warrant an upgrade from an already top end phone, even if it's a year old.
 
Beside minor tweaks such as back glass, wireless charging, True Tone, new chip, and some camera improvement, iPhone 8/8+ = iPhone 7/7+ Unless using it naked, nobody can tell if the phone is 8/8+ as both look identical to the 7/7+
Upgrading from the 7/7+ = paying for the minor tweaks only.
 
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