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But…but…but according to like 95% of people online, market share is what matters. Open your eyes sheeple, the end is nigh for Apple! There is no way they can survive on these incredibly massive profits alone if they aren't selling the majority of phones. They are clearly doomed! It's all marketing and hype and overpriced bendy phones. Apple steals all of their ideas from Android, like larger displays, and Steve never would have allowed that. Design isn't that important anyway, and neither is privacy. The only thing that matters are free web services, MOAR megapixels, and OLED even though I don't know what that means. Enjoy your walled garden. My Samsung Nexus One S5 Galaxy Droid is only 99 cents, so get wrecked Apple fanboys!

Did I cover everything? ;)

You forgot to mention.... HOW MANY CORES AND GIGAHERTZ???? :rolleyes:
 
You forgot to mention.... HOW MANY CORES AND GIGAHERTZ???? :rolleyes:

I'm so absent minded sometimes:

7.2Ghz with 29 cores
14GB of ram
6.3" 609ppi ultra super omega display
Five cameras
Removable battery
Stylus holster
Curved infobar that gives me all the infos on a curve
Stitched. Carbon. Nano-fiber. Fibre nano. Plastic.
Kickstand
Cupholder
"Thumb Scanner"

And it's 1.2% faster than the iPhone! Except on the web. Or when using the "thumb scanner". EAT IT PLEBS!
 
yes, because people dont HAVE to buy the expensive flagship models if they want android.

if apple would offer 100 or 200$ iphones, the numbers would be very similar.

Apple does offer older models for cheap.

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Enjoy your walled garden.

What I've heard many people who switch from Android to iOS say is that they thought having more customization options would be cool, but it's definitely not worth it. And people who don't realize that seem to just like the fact that they CAN customize it, even if they don't.
 
Hmm sounds like its time to reduce profit levels so they can actually sell at reasonable prices. Maybe they can take more of the market while still making just as much if they actually sold a phone that was cheaper than $450 off contract.

Companies reduce prices only when they're in trouble. It's a last-ditch effort to save themselves.

But when Apple is selling more iPhones than they ever have before... and they are making a pretty penny on every iPhone sold...

Why on Earth would Apple CUT prices and margins?


Honestly... other companies need to RAISE prices and margins.

Don't they know it's bad to make ZERO dollars per phone?

Or even less? :eek:
 
Well that's simple too many options at too many varying price points. Samsung alone can be blamed for this... but when you add in ZTE, ASUS, MOTOROLA, HTC, LG and the hundred of other brands floating around on the Android hardware market you've basically built a 711 or similar competitor on every street corner...

Acer, Alcatel, AllWinnner, Amazon, Asus, BLU, Celkon, Coolpad, Cubot, Dell, Evolio, G-Tide, Gigabyte, Gionee, Goophone, Haier, Hike, HTC, Huawei, iBall, Infinix, InnJoo, Intex, iOcean, Jiake, Jiayu, Jivi, Jolla, Kabonn, Karbonn, Kingzone, Kyocera, Lava, Lenovo, LG, Meizu, Micromax, MLais, Motorola, Neken, OnePlus, Oppo, Opsson, Panasonic, Samsung, Solo, Sony, Spice, Star, TCL, Tecno, THL, Umi, Vertu, Vivo, Voto, Xiaomi, Xolo, Zopo, ZTE

The many faces of "Android"

And yet only a few of those companies are able to make money.

How is that sustainable?
 
Corect me if I'm wrong,but why does it say apple ios made 18 billion dollars in the table? As in, not all of their profits is through ios devices right?Some of it is through macs and accessories,I'm a bit confused.
 
yes, because people dont HAVE to buy the expensive flagship models if they want android.

if apple would offer 100 or 200$ iphones, the numbers would be very similar.

Very true. In the same vein, Samsung and other Android based phone vendors don't HAVE to sell low end phones that contribute absolutely no margin. I frankly don't know why they do it at all.

And yet, should these companies stop selling low-end-no-margin phones and concentrate on high end models, would they be able to get similar margins and overall results as Apple? I sincerely doubt it, as the current flagship phones from the major vendors are at best meager successes.
 
Very true. In the same vein, Samsung and other Android based phone vendors don't HAVE to sell low end phones that contribute absolutely no margin. I frankly don't know why they do it at all.

And yet, should these companies stop selling low-end-no-margin phones and concentrate on high end models, would they be able to get similar margins and overall results as Apple? I sincerely doubt it, as the current flagship phones from the major vendors are at best meager successes.

Apple charges what they think is a fair price for a unique product. They are the only one making "iOS phones"

But there are over 60 companies making "Android phones" and the competition is fierce among them all.

If one OEM sells $600 Android phones... someone else will have them for $500. And another for $400... and $300... $200... $100 and so on. They are forced to either slash prices and lose margin... or simply make cheap phones from the start (again with almost no margin)

It's the same sorta thing that happened in the computer market. Apple is the only company offering "OSX computers" and they can command a hefty price with margins to match. Meanwhile... there are a dozen vendors selling "Windows computers" who are all fighting with each other.

One Windows vendor can't charge too much... because there will be someone else selling the same basic product for a cheaper price. A price war ensues... it's the classic "race to the bottom"... and eventually no one can make any money because the margins are basically gone for everybody.

Look at how many Windows OEMs are either completely gone or have been acquired by another company. There's simply not enough room for so many companies selling virtually the same product... especially if there is no money in it.

There's not that much difference between the average HP laptop and the average Dell laptop... so people simply go for the cheaper one. Unfortunately for the vendors... their margins were already below sustainable levels. So they have to make money elsewhere.

Look at how many accessories and warranties that they push when you buy the average Windows PC. Those are the ONLY things they actually make money on. And then there's the crapware. I hear the vendor usually loses money on the hardware... but they hope to make it up with the cut the get from anti-virus subscriptions.

It's the same story in TVs too. Many companies... the same basic product... and fierce competition that has driven the profits to basically ZERO.

I predict the same thing will happen to Android OEMs. There can't continue to be 60 Android vendors if only a handful make money. The economics simply won't allow that.
 
Which is a shame, but inevitable when there's not competing iOS device maker. Apple can continue to increase profit margin by keeping certain key specs at a minimum (e.g. 1 GB RAM on iPhone 6), or by charging much higher prices for the simplest parts like increased storage. Yet, these profit stories always seem to elicit cheers and "take that Android" sentiment. Very puzzling to me...

Well you're on an Apple Fan Site... what do you expect besides blind favoritism?
 
Well you're on an Apple Fan Site... what do you expect besides blind favoritism?

I think it all would be different if Jobs' idea of selling Sony VAIOs with Mac OS in 2001 had come to fruition. In all seriousness, I think the overzealous and disdainful favoritism of some Apple fans stems from the fact that there is very little device choice within the Apple OS ecosystem.

When I was a Moto X owner, there was a strong fan community there too. But the whole vibe was different. There wasn't an us-and-them mentality because we wanted great products from other companies - because any of them could be our next phone (including iPhone in my case). There was no "locked in" sour grapes.

As a car enthusiast, I really enjoy seeing the new models from other car makers. I can't tell you how many times I think, "oooh, that could be my next car!" But would it be different if I was beholden to only one manufacturer? Would I look at those other cars more scornfully?

From a business/profit perspective, Apple made absolutely the right move in restricting iOS and OS X to their devices only. What puzzles me isn't the fan enthusiasm... it's the way that Apple has somehow turned a consumer-negative into a source of pride for its owners.
 
Very true. In the same vein, Samsung and other Android based phone vendors don't HAVE to sell low end phones that contribute absolutely no margin. I frankly don't know why they do it at all..

Someone HAS to. Because there is a vast demand for low end devices. Just like there is a demand for high end devices.

Why they do it at all? What's your suggestion? Should they stop making low end phones? Only phones shall be made that cost at least 700$?
 
Someone HAS to. Because there is a vast demand for low end devices. Just like there is a demand for high end devices.

If I were prone to betting, i would be willing to bet a large sum of money that there is "a vast demand" for US$500,00 automobiles (full-fledged, internal combustion, road-safe automobiles). The thing is, no matter how big that demand is, nobody in their right mind will be willing to sell cars at a loss. And yet that's what the smartphone vendors are doing: selling their phones at a such a loss that Apple alone rakes 90% of the profits of the entire market. Filling the demand for cheap phones and losing money while doing so makes no sense at all.

Why they do it at all? What's your suggestion? Should they stop making low end phones? Only phones shall be made that cost at least 700$?

My suggestion is to think about it as any economically inclined person would: only sell at a profit. If cheap phones lose money, get out of that market as fast as you can. Would you do it any differently?

(sorry for the delay in the answer)
 
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