Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
I don't think its the lack of individuality that would be concerning, it would be the lack of competition. Even with a company like Apple which has a tremendous attention to detail, competition is necessary to drive innovation and provide us even better devices. I enjoy the fact that Apple has a large market share (as I benefit from things like the quality and quantity of apps available), but I always want there to be serious competition to keep Apple on their toes. Everyone benefits from that.

The concept of keeping a company on its toes through competition is not always needed. In fact, we've seen how competition can stifle a company until it is only trying to one up the competitor in specs...in fact, that's how too much of the world works and is why we have too much junk on the shelves.
 
To be honest the LTE thing should be no surprise. Something that seems to have been lost in the geek world recently is there's more to a device than just specs and features. How many average users really care about LTE? Heck, how many geeks would actually fully utilise LTE if they had it?

As a customer who moved from an old 3G EVDO connection to a 4G LTE connection the difference is HUGE even for the average customer. Imagine YouTube videos that start playing instantly with no buffer in HQ? Imagine getting full quality Netflix videos on your phone with little to no buffer time? Imagine being able to stream music while also having very fast browsing capability? Google Maps loads 5 times faster and you can move the map and it refreshes in real time. Last you can do all of this and still talk on the phone if you need to. The list goes on and on...

I'm not sure if LTE makes much difference for AT&T users, but believe me when I say LTE is a HUGE step up on the Verizon network. I believe it is a big deal to average because once you experience it you will never want an old 3G only device again.
 
As a customer who moved from an old 3G EVDO connection to a 4G LTE connection the difference is HUGE even for the average customer. Imagine YouTube videos that start playing instantly with no buffer in HQ? Imagine getting full quality Netflix videos on your phone with little to no buffer time? Imagine being able to stream music while also having very fast browsing capability? Google Maps loads 5 times faster and you can move the map and it refreshes in real time. Last you can do all of this and still talk on the phone if you need to. The list goes on and on...

I'm not sure if LTE makes much difference for AT&T users, but believe me when I say LTE is a HUGE step up on the Verizon network. I believe it is a big deal to average because once you experience it you will never want an old 3G only device again.

Imagine burning through your data plan and paying $40 more for the extra four GB of data you could burn through in an hour? Imagine finding a WiFi hotspot and doing it all for free?

Look, I have an LTE phone on AT&T, my speeds are around 30 mbps down...it's nice to view a web page faster every once in a while but anything that's truly data hungry won't fall within my data plan (5 GB a month). Think about it...for $38 a month (I'm on a corporate sponsored plan with a 28% discount on data - most people pay $50 a month). I get a single layered DVD's worth of data at almost twice the speed that my business class cable internet provides. Anyone that understands this should think twice about LTE and what you really need it for...because in the end I will only do the same exact things with my phone that I already did on 3G for fear of data overages. It's almost like the cell phone companies are handing you a glass of water then pointing a firehose at you.
 
Imagine burning through your data plan and paying $40 more for the extra four GB of data you could burn through in an hour? Imagine finding a WiFi hotspot and doing it all for free?

Look, I have an LTE phone on AT&T, my speeds are around 30 mbps down...it's nice to view a web page faster every once in a while but anything that's truly data hungry won't fall within my data plan (5 GB a month). Think about it...for $38 a month (I'm on a corporate sponsored plan with a 28% discount on data - most people pay $50 a month). I get a single layered DVD's worth of data at almost twice the speed that my business class cable internet provides. Anyone that understands this should think twice about LTE and what you really need it for...because in the end I will only do the same exact things with my phone that I already did on 3G for fear of data overages. It's almost like the cell phone companies are handing you a glass of water then pointing a firehose at you.

Well I am grandfathered into unlimited data so that does make a difference.
 
just got back from Thailand and EVERYBODY has an iPhone there, even Burmese laborers....oh and they can tether for free in Thailand

A clown you are indeed:rolleyes:

Thailand's population is around 68 Million.
Total estimated iphones sold 315 Million as of Feb 2012

Percentage of iPhones sold in Thailand compared to total sold = 21.5%

mmmmm;)

Some people complain about being "forced" into buying a different phone than an iPhone when they are in a Verizon shop, if that happens to me I would just walk out and buy somewhere else, that's the best way to deal with salesmen like that.
 
Last edited:
But if suddenly a HUGE percentage of your friends, your coworkers, and people you walk by in the streets start having the same birthday as you or start all wearing the exact same tshirt as you all the time, it starts to become a little disconcerting.

1. Get a case or skin for your iPhone. It will look different from other people's.

2. Do some serious thinking about WHY you have a phone at all. It sounds like you want to impress people. ("Look how different I am.") Yes, you disclaim that, but that is the impression your give. Consider how you USE the phone, not what someone else thinks.

3. Grow up a bit and understand that your "individuality" has NOTHING at all to do with what ANYONE ELSE does. Period. Do you eat food that no one else eats? Do you wear a toga or a loincloth instead of the same kind of clothes other people wear? Individuality doesn't mean doing something "different." It means doing what is true for you, even if that is the same (or using the same phone) as for many other people.

I teach riding--dressage, jumping, etc. Sometimes, my students will say that their goal is to win something. I try to explain to them that, for most people, that's an inappropriate goal. (If one is VERY talented rider and has a superb horse, it might be appropriate, but, even then, such a rider with such a horse would be competing at a level where there would be other people who were also very talented with very good horses.) Don't let your goals depend upon what someone else does: they should be based only on what YOU do. Don't

4. If you want to be "different," don't get a smartphone, at all. After all, nearly every model worth owning will have been bought by hundreds of thousands of people.

I expect that my phone (Samsung SCH-A650 on Verizon) is more "different" from what other people use than any smartphone. It's almost 7 years old. (My 2-year contract expired just about the same time the original iPhone came out in June, 2007.) It's a simple "flip phone." There's no camera, no email, no internet, no "apps," no music, no video, no photos. The aluminum paint is worn off in place. It does make phone calls and can do text, though texting is a pain--and expensive. I have no free text messages in my plan, so each text sent or received is $0.25. Maybe you should trade your iPhone for my Samsung. You'd certainly be "different." You'd also probably save money on your monthly bill. If you want to trade, let me know.
 
...until you get throttled

i'd really like to know who downloads 3G of data over their iphone. i don't get it. don't you have broadband at home? i've been an "unlimited data" user since my 2G and the most I've ever managed to use was about 1.5G in a month while on vacation and uploading a lot of photos.

there's no way i'd suffer using my iphone as my only data connection at home (and i'm in a major metro area, so fast speeds) when i have a cable modem that simply blows it out of the water.

i stream music from spotify daily, tons of email, IM, download apps and play games during free time/waiting in line, etc. are people trying to stream movies from netflix that is gobbling up their bandwidth?
 
i'd really like to know who downloads 3G of data over their iphone. i don't get it. don't you have broadband at home? i've been an "unlimited data" user since my 2G and the most I've ever managed to use was about 1.5G in a month while on vacation and uploading a lot of photos.

there's no way i'd suffer using my iphone as my only data connection at home (and i'm in a major metro area, so fast speeds) when i have a cable modem that simply blows it out of the water.

i stream music from spotify daily, tons of email, IM, download apps and play games during free time/waiting in line, etc. are people trying to stream movies from netflix that is gobbling up their bandwidth?

Nope, I got you, I just don't trust big red or AT&T not to lower the value. Sort of a "Sure, you can have unlimited data, but it would be better for you to pay more and get one of our rip off teared plans"
 
uhhh I don't even know what the StarTac was so there goes that thought.

The Razor was comparitively (at the time) huge, but no where NEAR iPhone levels.

And blackberries were sorta starting to get popular when the original iPhone was released, but it was still mostly just a business phone.

If you don't know what the StarTAC was, then you're missing out. That was the single greatest cell phone in the history of the planet. Seriously. At the time, it was the coolest phone and was virtually indestructible ... well, other than the antennas snapping off of the CDMA models ... but even Superman has his kryptonite.

As for the assertion that the RAZR wasn't as big as the iPhone. That's just false. The RAZR sold 130 million units over the four years of its existance. The iPhone sold 109 million over it's first four years. Of course, the RAZR just faded away and the iPhone has continued to grow (to the turn of 183 million in just under 5 years).

ft
 
I just dont get it. Iphone is a nice device but there is no choice at all. Everyone has the same look and feel. I think it would be rather disturbing to walk into a room and everyone is using the same device . Thats like everyone wearing the same clothes and there is no difference. That is very scary if you think about it. Apple is mass produce company like IBM and nothing is special about them. its like having no identity . This is just my opinion. Thank you.

While I understand what you're saying and I'm not going to vote you down for that.

In this context the apps and content are what differentiate your iphone from other iphones. Or using your metaphor, its like walking into a room and everyone is wearing clothes.
 
By the end of 2013, both AT&T and Verizon will be done with their LTE build outs. Keep in mind that there will be large sections of rural areas that will never see LTE. Jumping back to AT&T HSPA+ versus Verizon CDMA is a much better alternative

You can't be serious?

AT&T (which I am on) has not yet even built out their 3G network. A large portion of the USA still drops me to Edge...

Hell, AT&T doesn't even support HSPA+ in all of their markets yet.

Sorry, there is just no possible way for anyone in any rural area that AT&T is the better choice - mainly because even with slow crappy Verizon CDMA 3G - it is significantly better than slower crappier AT&T Edge.

Don't believe the carrier's coverage propaganda.

Get the Root Metrics app and test the cell phone coverage yourself - so we have real world coverage data - not marketing hype. http://rootmetrics.com
 
By the end of 2013, both AT&T and Verizon will be done with their LTE build outs. Keep in mind that there will be large sections of rural areas that will never see LTE. Jumping back to AT&T HSPA+ versus Verizon CDMA is a much better alternative (faster, seamless, supports data/voice multitasking).

Sorry Sprint....you went down the wrong path with WIMAX and you are now years behind....not a good position to be in with an LTE iPhone just a few months away.

Now it comes down to speed. Test after test has shown that AT&T's LTE is faster (by about 25%)....time will tell if this stays true.

In any case, both LTE's are fast. The next question is Price. Price is the key. Arguably, if you were to place two LTE iPhones next to each other (AT&T and Verizon), you probably would not be able to tell the difference without a speed test. So, to me, Price wins.

I agree. I' m going to be sticking with AT&T even though I would really like to use those LTE speeds right away. But right now on HSPA+, I normally get download speeds of 2-8mbps and I hardly ever have to wait for something to load. And AT&T doesn't have LTE hear yet but probably will within the next two years. I would just hate rolling off Verizon's LTE network to their slow CDMA!
 
Yup. My girlfriend was looking to switch to an iPhone from a Blackberry and she had to practically beg the Verizon store salesman to sell her one. Now that she has her iPhone 4s, she tells me almost every day how amazing the phone is! Verizon does everything possible to sell anything but Apple.

no experience there but it seems to me that Verizon leaves the phone model MORE to the buyer BUT makes leaps to sell the most possible accessories and miscellaneous other ancillary stuff. cases, iPhone battery pack addons, and screen protectors. pushing certain inventory can happen anywhere though.
thx
 
A clown you are indeed:rolleyes:

Thailand's population is around 68 Million.
Total estimated iphones sold 315 Million as of Feb 2012

Percentage of iPhones sold in Thailand compared to total sold = 21.5%

mmmmm;)

Some people complain about being "forced" into buying a different phone than an iPhone when they are in a Verizon shop, if that happens to me I would just walk out and buy somewhere else, that's the best way to deal with salesmen like that.

what's the point of you quoting me? did you even read my post or grasp the context? there's definitely a clown here and it ain't me...SMH
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.