A while back people were buying refurbs from apple. Even when I didn't see them for sale at that time in the store, persons were still coming up with them. Never did figure out where they were getting them from, as they were not posted in the clearance area. In any case, Is it still possible to get a refurb from Apple? I peeked around and didn't find any. They have to have about a million laying around that have been RTV'd. Preferably a 4 gig, but I know that isn't going to happen. A refurb 8gig would be acceptable if they offered it.