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macpro2000

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Just checking so I have this correct but if I get a new iPhone 11 Pro next week, won't I need to update it to the same 13.1 (or newer) that my iPhone is currently on before it will allow me to migrate my data over?
 

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They should be able to just install the 13.1 profile on the new phone and restore no?

You certainly could, but i know when I get a new device I’m not to thrilled to have to set it up, install a profile, then restore it all over again just to use an iCloud backup. It’s a painstaking process that one shouldn’t have to go through.
 
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Jumpie

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You certainly could, but i know when I get a new device I’m not to thrilled to have to set it up, install a profile, then restore it all over again just to use an iCloud backup. It’s a painstaking process that one shouldn’t have to go through.

I've learned with the X, there was no profile for several days. For XS, I think it was the same day as the release.
 
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marklemac

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It'll take like 10 mins to download the profile, install it, and then download and install 13.1 Dev, before then being able to restore my iCloud.

No biggie, will make a coffee whilst i'm waiting. ;)
 
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It'll take like 10 mins to download the profile, install it, and then download and install 13.1 Dev, before then being able to restore my iCloud.

No biggie, will make a coffee whilst i'm waiting. ;)

Problem I have is being on the iPhone upgrade programme, I'll have to do that in store and have the guy wait with me until it's done so I can hand back the old XS phone.
 

TimFL1

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They screwed up because anyone running 13.1 will not be able to use an iPhone 11 with their backup until Sept. 30th.
That happens every year. Apple usually seeds the first point release on the keynote day or shortly after. Every year the new phones ship and either get the point release beta late or not until the next beta build. People never learn, you deserve all the pain you get from jumping on betas without thinking just one step ahead.
 
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That happens every year. Apple usually seeds the first point release on the keynote day or shortly after. Every year the new phones ship and either get the point release beta late or not until the next beta build. People never learn, you deserve all the pain you get from jumping on betas without thinking just one step ahead.

Uh no it doesn’t. It’s never happened so please get your facts straight. Apple always seeds the GM of the new software first, and then make the next version available shortly after. This year they seeded 13.1 way before they released the GM of 13.0. Anyone running 13.0 did not have the option of downloading the GM of it because they were immediately pushed to 13.1 a couple of weeks ago if they wanted to update.
 
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tdar

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Uh no it doesn’t. It’s never happened so please get your facts straight. Apple always seeds the GM of the new software first, and then make the next version available shortly after. This year they seeded 13.1 way before they released the GM of 13.0. Anyone running 13.0 did not have the option of downloading the GM of it because they were immediately pushed to 13.1 a couple of weeks ago if they wanted to update.
Sorry but if you are a beta tester you ARE used to this. From the time of the GM to the time we get our phones, there is almost always another beta release. The result of that is just the same as this years situation. Here's the thing- Beta testers are not "normal" users. And if you can't understand that- you should not be one.
 

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Sorry but if you are a beta tester you ARE used to this. From the time of the GM to the time we get our phones, there is almost always another beta release. The result of that is just the same as this years situation. Here's the thing- Beta testers are not "normal" users. And if you can't understand that- you should not be one.

Lol you are wrong. Apple has never released an update to the newest software before they released the GM of the newest version. The only reason that happened once before is because the iPhone X came later than the iPhone 8 and beta testers could continue using the program after the GM was installed.

These are just facts and you don’t know what you are talking about.
 
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tdar

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Lol you are wrong. Apple has never released an update to the newest software before they released the GM of the newest version. The only reason that happened once before is because the iPhone X came later than the iPhone 8 and beta testers could continue using the program after the GM was installed.

These are just facts and you don’t know what you are talking about.

I am a Apple developer and have been a member of the paid developer program since iOS 5. I do this every year and I do it every day. Almost every year after the GM is released, in the 11 to 12 days between the GM release and the iPhone release, Apple has a post GM build for Developers to test. Not public testers (who should not exist in my opinion) but developers. We have all seen this movie before. It's no big deal. Anyone who is worthy of being a tester can build a procedure to deal with it. If not, again they should not be a beta tester.
 

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I am a Apple developer and have been a member of the paid developer program since iOS 5. I do this every year and I do it every day. Almost every year after the GM is released in the 11 to 12 days between the GM release and the iPhone release, Apple has a post GM build for Developers to test. Not public testers (who should not exist in my opinion) but developers. We have all seen this movie before. It's no big deal. Anyone who is worthy of being a tester can build a procedure to deal with it. If not, again they should not be a beta tester.

Again, you don’t understand. This year 13.1 was released weeks before the GM. There was no option to continue with the 13.0 builds if you wanted to continue with the program. You either had to update to 13.1 or stay stuck at the last beta which Apple wasn’t updating over the air anymore. I am in the developer program as well and the GM is always released before an incremental update in the software. Those are just the facts.
 

tdar

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Again, you don’t understand. This year 13.1 was released weeks before the GM. There was no option to continue with the 13.0 builds if you wanted to continue with the program. You either had to update to 13.1 or stay stuck at the last beta which Apple wasn’t updating over the air anymore. I am in the developer program as well and the GM is always released before an incremental update in the software. Those are just the facts.

I do understand. The fact that the "current build" of the beta is 13.1 makes no difference that if it was 13.01. It's a higher build number and so a backup will not restore. (maybe). On iPhone launch day I ALWAYS have a higher build number than the GM. What version of the OS it is (13.01 vs 13.1) makes no difference.
I deal with this every year. I deal with it every time I get a new iPhone. I even deal with it on a AppleCare replacement. Because my build number (of my backup) is always higher than what comes on the phone.

It really is not a big deal. Apple will not leave everyone out on a island. There will be a build of 13.1 for the new phones. I am confidant in them.
 
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TimFL1

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Uh no it doesn’t. It’s never happened so please get your facts straight. Apple always seeds the GM of the new software first, and then make the next version available shortly after. This year they seeded 13.1 way before they released the GM of 13.0. Anyone running 13.0 did not have the option of downloading the GM of it because they were immediately pushed to 13.1 a couple of weeks ago if they wanted to update.
That‘s totally not what I was arguing but okay lol.
 

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You certainly could, but i know when I get a new device I’m not to thrilled to have to set it up, install a profile, then restore it all over again just to use an iCloud backup. It’s a painstaking process that one shouldn’t have to go through.

That’s why they call it a “Beta”. When you install pre-release software, you have to accept that some things will be less than perfect.
 

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That’s why they call it a “Beta”. When you install pre-release software, you have to accept that some things will be less than perfect.

Well, Apple actually recognized this as an error and you can download the GM file for 13.0 and update 13.1 to the GM of 13.0 without losing anything. iTunes recognizes 13.0GM as an update to 13.1 so now you can have the same software that a new phone will come on.
 

penajmz

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Well, Apple actually recognized this as an error and you can download the GM file for 13.0 and update 13.1 to the GM of 13.0 without losing anything. iTunes recognizes 13.0GM as an update to 13.1 so now you can have the same software that a new phone will come on.
This will break things like Mail and it is very tedious to fix.
 
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