iPhone camera idea

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by samiznaetekto, Oct 11, 2014.

  1. samiznaetekto macrumors 65816

    Dec 26, 2009
    High-quality camera cannot be made thinner any more, while the phone can, and so we have this pure ugliness - protruding camera.

    So, instead of all optics elements and sensor being on the same axis, why not simply have a mirror at 45 degrees beneath the front element and put the rest of the optics and the sensor at 90 degree angle with plenty of room?! Now the focal length is not limited by the thickness of the phone, and ugliness is no more.

    Why does it take a MR poster to do all the hard work??? Apple engineers, can you even read? :rolleyes: Sheesh!
  2. Givmeabrek macrumors 68040


    Apr 20, 2009
    It's been done on compact digital cameras. Very poor results with complicated mechanicals. Not Apple's style anyway.
  3. techspin macrumors 6502a

    Jul 21, 2014
    Take a look at the sensor, that would hardly create more room. Much easier said than done!
  4. Surf Monkey macrumors 68030

    Surf Monkey

    Oct 3, 2010
    Portland, OR
    Wouldn't work. The width of the optics already excees the width of the device so turning them 45 degrees wouldn't help. Besides, not all of us find the nub problematic.
  5. Hankster macrumors 68020


    Jan 30, 2008
    Washington DC
    Yes, you're right. I'm sure all the MIT grads making $200,000 a year at Apple haven't tried every possible solution to keep the camera lens inside the casing.

    If you think it's that easy you're clearly not an engineer or a designer. Just because you can drive a car doesn't mean you can build one.
  6. Haynzee macrumors member

    Mar 13, 2012
    Ha that made my day, brilliant analogy!
  7. samiznaetekto thread starter macrumors 65816

    Dec 26, 2009
    3264x2448 sensor with 1.5µ pixels is 4.9x3.7mm, which should easily fit inside at 90-degree angle. The only reason the electronics is built around the chip (making the assembly much wider) is the thickness constraint. With 90-degree scheme this constraint is gone.

  8. Surf Monkey macrumors 68030

    Surf Monkey

    Oct 3, 2010
    Portland, OR
    Because there's no reason the electronics are around the chip, right?
  9. samiznaetekto thread starter macrumors 65816

    Dec 26, 2009
    Anyway, mark my words: Apple will steal this idea from this forum and introduce it with great fanfare in iPhone 7... or 8... or 9... It's not a question of if, but when.
  10. Mr Hands macrumors regular

    Oct 11, 2014
    That's a pretty bold statement, and one that I'm positive will be proven wrong.
  11. scaredpoet macrumors 604


    Apr 6, 2007
    Actually, there's a much more important reason the electronics are around the camera sensor: more distance equals more noise. The less distance you have between sensor and processors, the less noise is introduced.

    Your scheme risks really grainy photos. But being the awesome and talented engineer that you are, you should already know this. ;)


    Well, you best get to work on that patent, then! :)

    By the way: What are you going to do, in your awesome, never-before-thought of idea, about mechanical Optical Image stabilization, as exists on the 6 Plus? And I assume you've already confirmed that the optics themselves aren't accounting for the some of the thickness?
  12. myscrnnm macrumors 65816


    Sep 16, 2014
    Seattle, WA
    This is exactly what Sony did with their T-series of Cyber-Shot cameras. I have a DSC-TX1 that has an internal vertically-oriented zoom lens. The problem is that the individual elements in the iPhone camera lens are wider than the phone is thick. And for its complexity, you'd only get a huge benefit if like the Sony T-series, you also had a zoom lens.
  13. PixelpusherBV macrumors member

    Dec 16, 2013
    Harwich, UK
    Forget the camera, I would have just preferred a large capacity battery and a slightly thicker phone. Like your style though OP:)
  14. cynics macrumors G4

    Jan 8, 2012

    Not really. The physics with light and their interaction with optics cannot be altered, only controlled.

    The key point is a "quality" camera. And when it comes to cameras, size does matter based on physics. Easiest examples would be professional camera equipment. Even when expense is of no consequence it's still large.
  15. fotomarc macrumors regular


    May 8, 2014
    Melbourne, Australia
    iPhone camera idea

    I don't think a 1mm ring around the lens is such a big issue. According to this review the iPhone 6 plus is at the top of the list!

    Notice the huge Samsung lens phone is rated lower. If you are serious about photography you would use a dedicated full frame camera!


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