iPhone competition: Forget Android, Web OS, Nine New LINUX Phones Just Announced

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by iphones4evry1, Aug 11, 2009.

  1. MICHAELSD macrumors 68040


    Jul 13, 2008
    The iPhone OS is much better than even a full version of Linux. Everything from the amount of polish to the UI to the application selection is a lot better on the iPhone. The iPhone OS is designed from the ground up for this particular hardware as well.
  2. VulchR macrumors 68020


    Jun 8, 2009
    I can just see one of the phone's screen now:

    <Good morning Dave> /usr/bin/dial -n 5555555 -c UK -p O2 | talk -v loud &

  3. ruinfx macrumors 6502a

    Feb 20, 2008
    the majority of the US market doesnt care about "linux based" or whatever the mobile OS is based on, only the brand name associated with it. limo has no popular brand name to front it to the consumer (like apple or google) which puts it at a huge disadvantage.

    whats going to be the draw to develop for limo phones when you have the iphone controlling the lions share of the mobile app market in the US? whats going to be the advantage over symbian foundation that will soon be on the millions of nokia phones sold each year around the world? sorry, but i just dont see it making that big of a splash in the already crowded pool.
  4. zacheryjensen macrumors 6502a


    May 11, 2009
  5. SFStateStudent macrumors 604


    Aug 28, 2007
    San Francisco California, USA
    Another "Johnny-Come-Lately" to the cell phone market; cutting costs will get you to the table, but won't sustain these wannabes for even two years. Too many competitors already have the jump on 'em. I give them about six months, then they'll abandon any future research, if they haven't done so already....:eek:
  6. louiek macrumors 6502

    Mar 7, 2006
    Knutters Knoll, Melbourne
    "talk -v" ..... that's comedy genius.
  7. Chundles macrumors G4


    Jul 4, 2005
    And just like all Linux launches, it will go unnoticed by the general public.
  8. goosnarrggh macrumors 68000

    May 16, 2006
    Was the general public unaware of both the Android launch and the WebOS launch? Those both use the Linux kernel, and therefore by definition were Linux launches.
  9. scaredpoet macrumors 604


    Apr 6, 2007


    Saying that Android and WebOS phones are "linux-based" is like saying that iPhone is "UNIX-based." In the loosest possible sense you might be able to weasel that into a true statement, but users aren't truly using the kernel (though you can get some really nice BSD tools running if you jailbreak the iPhone, in which case you probably could truly say you're using *nix then).

    Android boots the linux kernel but then runs the Davlik Virtual Machine on top of it. This is basically modified Java code. It would be better apt to say that Android is more a Java platform than it is a linux platform. The fact that it boots linux is merely a formality, a means to an end.

    WebOS is similar. It too boots a linux kernel as a necessary means to get the phone running, but you aren't truly using Linux. The apps must be written using HTML5, Java or CSS. WebOS would be more accurately called a Web App platform (which is probably how it got its name).

    So for now, these aren't accurately called "Linux" platforms, because users aren't really using Linux. It's coceivable that Google and Palm could've run their VMs and platforms on top of RIM OS, or Windows Mobile, if that had made sense to them. It just so happens that linux is free and open source and requires no licensing.

    Google has been kinda duplicitous on this point. They'll tacitly speak of linux when they can use that to woo the open source zealots who want to get behind it as a way to strike back at the Big Bad iPhone. But to the general public and the people they want actually using these phones, you'll hear nary a peep about linux. Google is as it always has been: a company that deals strictly with portable, OS-agnostic web apps, and dreams of an eventual "OS-less" future. Linux just happens to be a convenient tool to get that going for now, and sadly the FOSS community to date has been willing to turn a blind eye to this.

    PalmOS on the other hand, calls its platform for what it is: a system that coincidentally boots linux to get up in the morning, but you're developing web apps and that's that.

    There have been marginally successful true linux-based mobile devices, like the Nokia N800 and N810. They aren't phones per se, but they do run Maemo, which is based off Debian and runs actual linux apps, including X windowing systems, busybox, Skype, etc.
  10. alent1234 macrumors 603

    Jun 19, 2009
    after using RHEL for a week, i don't want to use Linux anymore
  11. goosnarrggh macrumors 68000

    May 16, 2006
    As a matter of fact, Apple has said on various occasions that the iPhone is running OS X, and the historical fact that OS X is derived from BSD is undisputed. Separately, Apple has said that one specific version of OS X (Leopard) is UNIX-certified.

    The fact that any computer system uses any kernel with reasonably advanced resource management and scheduling is, by that reasoning, pretty much a formality IMO.

    What makes a "linux system"? Is it the applications that run on it? That is entirely outside the scope of Linux itself: Linus Torvalds (the registered owner of the Linux trademark) does not oversee the direction of development of the GNU userland, or the Busybox alternative userland, or the X window system, or GNOME or KDE.

    In fact, all of those applications (and more) can be (and have been) run quite happily on many non-Linux kernels such as those found in the Solaris, BSD, Darwin, or Windows operating systems. Therefore the applications themselves are not inherently "Linux". That only leaves the kernel itself.
  12. scaredpoet macrumors 604


    Apr 6, 2007
    They said that at the beginning. They don't say that now. In fact, they pretty much make a distinction now between OS X and "iPhone OS."

    But iPhone OS is not.

    Not Davlink, and not a glorified web browser. ;)

    The fact remains that rather than using software that natively interacts with the kernel, a layer is put in place as a VM to "shield" users from it. When by contrast, I've already offered examples of mobile devices where that isn't the case at all.

    EDIT: Going back tot he original article, it would appear that LiMo supports DRM, which I'm sure sticks in the craws of many FOSS advocates. Ouch.
  13. iphones4evry1 thread starter macrumors 65816


    Nov 26, 2008
    California, USA
    Thanks for all the good info. :)

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