ouch that suxs! .. I can't wait til it comes out, goodbye 8801. GSM is the best technology, I do travel alot, and i find it usefull when im in europe or asia.
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ouch that suxs! .. I can't wait til it comes out, goodbye 8801. GSM is the best technology, I do travel alot, and i find it usefull when im in europe or asia.
In that case, I'd feel much more inclined to buy one, assuming that's also only a one year contract..............my contract runs out in june.....iPhone not out until Q4 in UK........worth the wait?
One more thing, when it's released in UK< is it likely that all networks will have it, or will it be limited to a single network, like in USA?
I'm pretty underwhelmed. I just don't think the average person wants that form factor (looks too large) for a do-it-all, carry it all the time device.
In my eyes Apple NEEDS three devices...
My .02 cents
In my eyes Apple NEEDS three devices...
- A iPhone w/ iTune music
- A iPod with a widescreen, wi-fi & bluetooth
- A PDA/Internet Tablet that does everything that the iPhone does, except voice
My .02 cents
Exactly.
Shame for the US guys as many are moaning about Cingular or lack of CDMA
BUT.
The GSM market is worth over 2.2 billion units and growing faster than any other market by a mile.
Most of Europe and Japan are using 3G quite widespread also.
America is catching up - I remember going over there about 4 years ago and man they had some nasty old stuff then, It has improved a lot and this phone will be there first so an important market to Apple
Shame for the US guys as many are moaning about Cingular or lack of CDMA
BUT.
The GSM market is worth over 2.2 billion units and growing faster than any other market by a mile.
Most of Europe and Japan are using 3G quite widespread also.
America is catching up - I remember going over there about 4 years ago and man they had some nasty old stuff then, It has improved a lot and this phone will be there first so an important market to Apple
Anybody wanna buy a treo?
I am in love but i got a treo 650 that is 1month old. It was a replacement for the last one that quit working right after 6 months. I caught the real time updates on my MBP today and found myself counting 5..4..3..2..1..everytime my minute was about up. It was fun and i found my new love. only problem is the wifey loves it too and she's been suckin along with a Moto v551 now for a year and a half. Oh yea, and her b-day is in june when the iphone is gonna be released. Guess what she wants.
Also, I have been with Verizon and now am with Cingular. Best switch I've made. Verizon sux!
I am in love but i got a treo 650 that is 1month old. It was a replacement for the last one that quit working right after 6 months. I caught the real time updates on my MBP today and found myself counting 5..4..3..2..1..everytime my minute was about up. It was fun and i found my new love. only problem is the wifey loves it too and she's been suckin along with a Moto v551 now for a year and a half. Oh yea, and her b-day is in june when the iphone is gonna be released. Guess what she wants.
Also, I have been with Verizon and now am with Cingular. Best switch I've made. Verizon sux!
With all due respect, You missed the point
dev/toaster was simply making the point that the fact that 80% of the world uses GSM:
A) doesn't make it a better technology:
Just ask the Sony's Beta developers (and the folks at Apple for that matter).
B) is of no value to dev/toaster because he lives in the US, so what the rest of the world does is of no value to him in the US.
C) Not to mention the fact that:
Motorola devloped the first cell phone
Qualcomm developed CDMA
Bell Labs developed TDMA, the pre-cursor for GSM
Apple developed the iPhone
Let's face it. All of the above are American companies and we would not be having this conversation without American creativity. So I would suggest that you not make anymore sweeping generalizations. The US loves the rest of the world. Don't be too quick to assume the worst about Americans.
By the way, CDMA is a NEWER and more advanced technology than GSM. That's the ONLY reason GSM is used more, because it's older, was deployed earlier, and is therefore cheaper for developing countries to deploy today. But for network capacity, call fidelity, call security, etc., CDMA is better. Let's also remember why at&t (formerly known as Cingular) is for now, the largest US carrier - because they bought customers from then AT&T Wireless, not because they won them in the marketplace with a more compelling product.
While no wireless network is perfect, simply due to the fact that it's "wireless", Verizon clearly has the best network in the US. Verizon has invested 30 billion dollars in their network over the last 6 years - 5 billion per year - 1.25 billion per quarter - 420 million per month, or 100 million per week (far more than any other US provider) for things like additional spectrum, diesel generators at cell sites in case of a natural disaster, greater capacity to stay ahead of network demand, etc. Meanwhile, Verizon customers are the most loyal. Verizon has the lowest customer turnover (churn) in the industry at 1.2% vs. 1.8% for Cingular in Q4 2006.
Quarter over quarter, Verizon keeps adding more customers than Cingular - at the present pace, Verizon will once again pass Cingular as the largest US carrier within 2 years. (and Sprint actually lost net retail customers in the 4th quarter of '06.) Look at Verizon's best network facts at www.verizonwireless.com. Look at all of the wireless carriers' public quarterly reports. Read Wireless Week or RCR Wireless magazines or other industry magazines or the Wall Street Journal.
Then there's the technology itself. The rest of the world will eventually convert to one of several possible versions of Wide-Band CDMA. It will just be a gradual evolution. But it will be an easier migration for current US CDMA providers (and their customers) to make the transition, since they are already using CDMA.
I am surprised by the lack of knowledge of some in this forum to assert that GSM=3G. CDMA EVDO is 3G technology and has a far greater presence in the US than the comparable (speedwise) HSDPA, the 3G version of GSM. Cingular's EDGE connectivity is comparable only to Verizon's older 1XRTT technolgy. Both EDGE and 1XRTT are really both 2.5G.
So to compare "apples" to "apples" (pun intended) you would have to compare Cingular's HSDPA network to Verizon's EVDO. EVDO is much more widely deployed at this point in the US than HSDPA.
The iPhone is EDGE only. It does not have HSDPA/UMTS capability
http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html
So have fun surfing and checking e-mail at 50-70 kbps. While the rest of us with Verizon and Sprint are surfing at 400-700 kbps on EVDO with our Treo 700 devices.
dev/toaster was simply making the point that the fact that 80% of the world uses GSM:
A) doesn't make it a better technology:
Just ask the Sony's Beta developers (and the folks at Apple for that matter).
B) is of no value to dev/toaster because he lives in the US, so what the rest of the world does is of no value to him in the US.
C) Not to mention the fact that:
Motorola devloped the first cell phone
Qualcomm developed CDMA
Bell Labs developed TDMA, the pre-cursor for GSM
Apple developed the iPhone
Let's face it. All of the above are American companies and we would not be having this conversation without American creativity. So I would suggest that you not make anymore sweeping generalizations. The US loves the rest of the world. Don't be too quick to assume the worst about Americans.
By the way, CDMA is a NEWER and more advanced technology than GSM. That's the ONLY reason GSM is used more, because it's older, was deployed earlier, and is therefore cheaper for developing countries to deploy today. But for network capacity, call fidelity, call security, etc., CDMA is better. Let's also remember why at&t (formerly known as Cingular) is for now, the largest US carrier - because they bought customers from then AT&T Wireless, not because they won them in the marketplace with a more compelling product.
While no wireless network is perfect, simply due to the fact that it's "wireless", Verizon clearly has the best network in the US. Verizon has invested 30 billion dollars in their network over the last 6 years - 5 billion per year - 1.25 billion per quarter - 420 million per month, or 100 million per week (far more than any other US provider) for things like additional spectrum, diesel generators at cell sites in case of a natural disaster, greater capacity to stay ahead of network demand, etc. Meanwhile, Verizon customers are the most loyal. Verizon has the lowest customer turnover (churn) in the industry at 1.2% vs. 1.8% for Cingular in Q4 2006.
Quarter over quarter, Verizon keeps adding more customers than Cingular - at the present pace, Verizon will once again pass Cingular as the largest US carrier within 2 years. (and Sprint actually lost net retail customers in the 4th quarter of '06.) Look at Verizon's best network facts at www.verizonwireless.com. Look at all of the wireless carriers' public quarterly reports. Read Wireless Week or RCR Wireless magazines or other industry magazines or the Wall Street Journal.
Then there's the technology itself. The rest of the world will eventually convert to one of several possible versions of Wide-Band CDMA. It will just be a gradual evolution. But it will be an easier migration for current US CDMA providers (and their customers) to make the transition, since they are already using CDMA.
I am surprised by the lack of knowledge of some in this forum to assert that GSM=3G. CDMA EVDO is 3G technology and has a far greater presence in the US than the comparable (speedwise) HSDPA, the 3G version of GSM. Cingular's EDGE connectivity is comparable only to Verizon's older 1XRTT technolgy. Both EDGE and 1XRTT are really both 2.5G.
So to compare "apples" to "apples" (pun intended) you would have to compare Cingular's HSDPA network to Verizon's EVDO. EVDO is much more widely deployed at this point in the US than HSDPA.
The iPhone is EDGE only. It does not have HSDPA/UMTS capability
http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html
So have fun surfing and checking e-mail at 50-70 kbps. While the rest of us with Verizon and Sprint are surfing at 400-700 kbps on EVDO with our Treo 700 devices.
Well, I just wanted a Nano which would let me make phone calls. Nothing too fancy. Something nice and simple.
In fact, the iPhone has surprised me somewhat. The idea seems very un-Appleish to me. I always thought the iPod succeeded primarily because it was simple and sleek - the most user-friendly of all the other MP3 players. But the iPhone looks a little less graceful to me; it at least doesn't seem to follow the same logic as the iPod did.
The iPhone may be giving geeks across the world wet-dreams, but it won't break the mainstream. It does too much.
In fact, the iPhone has surprised me somewhat. The idea seems very un-Appleish to me. I always thought the iPod succeeded primarily because it was simple and sleek - the most user-friendly of all the other MP3 players. But the iPhone looks a little less graceful to me; it at least doesn't seem to follow the same logic as the iPod did.
The iPhone may be giving geeks across the world wet-dreams, but it won't break the mainstream. It does too much.
http://www.jdpower.com/telecom/ratings/wireless/index.asp
Consumers consistently rate T-Mobile and Verizon as the TOP of the barrel when it comes to wireless carriers. Cingular usually comes in at the bottom. Ratings vary by region, but overall, T-Mo and Verizon have more satisfied customers than Cingular and Sprint.
As for getting what you pay for, knowing how low Cingular rates on customer satisfaction, and that their rates are on par with Verizon for being the highest, you can't say that just because you pay more, you get more.
It's too expensive for me right now, and it's Cingular only for right now (I have T-Mobile). Neither are faults of the product, merely problems I have getting it. If I could buy it today, I would. It is quite definitely the best phone I have ever seen, and I see a lot of phones (I work at RadioShack, so I see just about all the new phones that come out). People need to realize that just because something doesn't fit into their exact set of needs (right now), there's nothing therefore wrong with the product.
Sorry, didn't read the rest of the thread, this has probably been said already.
jW
Sorry, didn't read the rest of the thread, this has probably been said already.
jW
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With that high of a number coming from outside the US, your statment is patently false. If it weren't for those international sales, Apple would have folded long ago.
Just as Apple switched to USB2 for the iPod, so will they target the largest market available and that isn't the US.
When the iPod debuted, most people said the same thing you're saying now.
Portability above and beyond a laptop, even an ultra thin 12" MBP is where it's at. Why lug around a laptop on vacation when an iPhone will do just fine?
I agree with this; they should have at least offered separate models. IE, like upgrading a Mac. Baseline is iPod widescreen video. If you want a web browser, you pay $80 extra for a wireless card. If you want a cell phone, you pay for that. They shouldn't force options upon people who don't need them.
Blah blah blah.....
The only people unhappy with this are customers who are not using Cingular. If this was available on Verizon, Cingular customers would be complaining.
Bull****. How do you know that Verizon has had the best coverage and quality everywhere you travelled when you're using Verizon? Are you travelling with 4 or 5 mobile phones and making calls with each one of them wherever you go?
That's life, man. Welcome to the Social.™
Uh, you put it up to your ear like any other phone. Remember in the keynote how Steve was talking about the proximity sensor turns off the screen when you put it up to your ear? Remember how he said there's a mic on the bottom of the iPhone? You can use it that way or with the headphone/mic combination that comes with it.
Or did you just pay no attention whatsoever?
I wanted a widescreen iPod for 16 hours on a plane and I'm supposed to load movies and tv shows and songs and games on 8 gig?
Give me a break.
That's how much memory costs. An 8 GB iPod nano costs $250. Tack on a top-of-the-line phone; large, fantastic screen; organizer; photo viewer; video capability; touch screen; and the fantastic UI that's heaps better than my Motorola, and yes, it's worth that much money.
Best US Wireless Network
Before you roll your eyes, you need to know the facts. Check this out: http://aboutus.vzw.com/bestnetwork/overview.html
Verizon does test its network side by side vs. competitors: "These engineers conduct more than 750,000 voice call attempts and more than 4 million data tests quarterly on Verizon Wireless' and other national wireless carriers' networks while traveling approximately 220,000 miles of the most frequently traveled roadways nationwide in specially equipped, company-owned quality test vehicles." There's only one best network and in the US Verizon IS the network! Can you hear me now?
Blah blah blah.....
The only people unhappy with this are customers who are not using Cingular. If this was available on Verizon, Cingular customers would be complaining.
Bull****. How do you know that Verizon has had the best coverage and quality everywhere you travelled when you're using Verizon? Are you travelling with 4 or 5 mobile phones and making calls with each one of them wherever you go?
That's life, man. Welcome to the Social.™
Before you roll your eyes, you need to know the facts. Check this out: http://aboutus.vzw.com/bestnetwork/overview.html
Verizon does test its network side by side vs. competitors: "These engineers conduct more than 750,000 voice call attempts and more than 4 million data tests quarterly on Verizon Wireless' and other national wireless carriers' networks while traveling approximately 220,000 miles of the most frequently traveled roadways nationwide in specially equipped, company-owned quality test vehicles." There's only one best network and in the US Verizon IS the network! Can you hear me now?
I want a wide screen iPod!
All i know is I want a wide screen iPod, and the fact is Apple would piss off a lot of people if they released one so close to Christmas.
The iPhone seems like it is a major leap forward, the Cingular exclusivity is discouraging but the bottom line is Apple is now in the phone market. Be patient and it'll work out for us Verizon and Sprint users.
Also, I was surprised that iCal wasn't shown... for me, the main reason I want a smart phone or maybe a PDA is so that I can sync and most importantly edit my schedule.
All i know is I want a wide screen iPod, and the fact is Apple would piss off a lot of people if they released one so close to Christmas.
The iPhone seems like it is a major leap forward, the Cingular exclusivity is discouraging but the bottom line is Apple is now in the phone market. Be patient and it'll work out for us Verizon and Sprint users.
Also, I was surprised that iCal wasn't shown... for me, the main reason I want a smart phone or maybe a PDA is so that I can sync and most importantly edit my schedule.
I concur, although that would make things too mucky for the consumer... too many options...
I wish they had just made a ws-touch screen iPod with bt...*pouts like a spoiled kid*