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Don't worry... they had to dump this bad news, let it simmer over the weekend, and vanish. Then, they can get everyone excited again early next week when they announce the iPhone plans without people grumbling about the cancellation fee. It will be old news at that point.

(speculating they will announce the plans early next week)

Indeed. Next week we'll see Adobe announce Flash* plugin for the iPhone's Safari, and the a price/activation innovation. Perhaps Monday and Wednesday respectively, then Friday comes the main event.

Remember, Apple hasn't said it DOESN'T support flash, they just haven't said it DOES. Because while it presently doesn't, it CAN**.

** Hopefully.
 
I've been tasked with getting one for work..(work being a UK mobile operator) :eek:

Anyone know if someone in the UK can get a US contract without being a resident there etc?

Cost isn't an issue so I sense a busy time figuring out how to get one, ugh :(

No, you are required to have a social security number for the required credit check. Sorry.
 
Indeed. Next week we'll see Adobe announce Flash* plugin for the iPhone's Safari, and the a price/activation innovation. Perhaps Monday and Wednesday respectively, then Friday comes the main event.

Remember, Apple hasn't said it DOESN'T support flash, they just haven't said it DOES. Because while it presently doesn't, it CAN**.

** Hopefully.

Actually, it's already been confirmed that iPhone doesn't support Flash or Java.

That doesn't mean it's permanent, but it is certain that it doesn't support it now.
 
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Is this going to be like Apple TV, where two months later they go from having 4 to 8 gig iphones to 40 and 80 gig iphones or something???:eek: :eek: :eek:
 
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Is this going to be like Apple TV, where two months later they go from having 4 to 8 gig iphones to 40 and 80 gig iphones or something???:eek: :eek: :eek:

1. Calm down.

2. No, because this is flash memory, which is very, very expensive. There will be incremental improvements. Apple TV went from 40 to 160 because, well, it could. Easily. iPhone can't. You'll see incremental improvements sooner, like 16GB, but not instantly going to 80 next week.
 
But it appears almost 100% certain that Apple retail stores and apple.com will be selling WITHOUT activation. So you won't get the benefit of the cancellation fee. But, there isn't likely to be a big eBay market for these phones (except for idiots, which there are bound to be some in the first few days/weeks), since anyone will simply be able to get it at the normal retail price from Apple if they so choose, *probably* without activation (see my previous post for more). I suppose some international folks might just want to get their hands on one, especially if it turns out there is a some way to unlock the phone.

Thousands of "international" folks here in Vietnam want one, just the matter of time for someone to unlock it..

oh, i am dying to touch it!..
 
Rumors continue to fly

The rumors are flying high now that the launch is near.

But there is one key piece of information to be made public. How much is it going to cost per month. Some "reporter" on CNBC just proclaimed that the data and voice plan was going to be "over a hundred dollars per month" It's really sad that this passes as journalism nowadays. Was there some sort of news flash that I missed? What is this idiot thinking making up news. He clearly should have stated that it was his opinion that the monthly cost would be over $100 per month. Here's why the price WON'T be over $100...

For one, you can get a Blackberry on a higher speed network for LESS than $100 per month. From a provider (Verizon) that passed on the iPhone because of Apples terms. If Apple had said that they wanted the data plan to be over $100 per month, do you really think Verizon would have passed on the deal?

Apple is about bringing cutting edge (pardon the pun) technology to the masses at LOWER cost. Look no further than the iPod. The whole music industry changed because of the iPod. The model went from $15 CD sales, to consumers empowered to buy just the songs that they wanted at $.99 each. The shift has been Epic.

Having the iPhone come out over $100/month would be certain death for the iPhone. Period. Remember, the data plan transfer rate is just okay. Not high speed broadband by any means. Then again those who say it will be dial up speed are exaggerating on the other end as well. The edge network is okay, but not great. It's certainly not worth north of $100/month.

Clearly the monthly plan rate is the last "One more thing..." that Apple is saving for the launch hype. It will go something like this, "Here's the great new Apple iPhone, oh and by the way we are also introducing the most affordable plans in the industry!" That's the reason Verizon passed. Clearly ATT is looking long term at gaining subscribers. The time to raise the monthly plans will be when the move the iPhone subscribers to the higher speed network. Then MAYBE there will be talk of higher rates. Not anytime soon.

Look for plans to start UNDER $70
 
This is certainly disappointing, but I think that once people start using the iPhone, they wouldn't want to break their contract unless there were serious service issues or something with at&t. I think the product will be considered just that good.

Maybe at some point they'll subsidize the thing? Maybe THAT is what they're hiding?


I think the cancellation fee is for current Cingular users that have to cancel their own contracts and get the new data plan. Why would someone buy an iPhone and service and cancel it... like the iPhone isn't good or something. I don't think the iPhone will ever be subsidized if people are willing to pay full price for it now. Maybe we will see subsidized phones by the time Apple realizes that it needs to open the phone up to other service providers to sell over 5 million phones. That will be in 5 years.

$675 for a touchscreen ipod!! !

Basically... not to mention a touchscreen iPod with a fifth or a tenth of the capacity for twice the price.

are cancelations always this high? arent they usually around 100 bucks?

For most service providers it is around $200. It is a bit cheaper, but I am still convinced that AT&T is leading toward current and future AT&T customers needing to cancel their contracts to sign up for the new service that the iPhone will need to run on.
 
Actually, it's already been confirmed that iPhone doesn't support Flash or Java.

That doesn't mean it's permanent, but it is certain that it doesn't support it now.

That's my point. To my knowledge, Apple hasn't officially come out and said that—by launch—there won't be a Flash plugin. We'll all have to wait and see.
 
I don't think this is any real surprise.

This is simply the "required" part of the 2 year contract required. "required" means it's required unless you want to pay a cancellation fee.

arn

Are you saying you think this is talking about the two year contract you get with the iPhone? Not a two contract someone with AT&T currently has?

If so, I thought this was a given, nobody lets you out of a contract for no reason.
 
Not quite...

Apple's main business is software (Mac OS X and applications aruound it) and beatiful hardware to go with it. They do Macs, iPod (Music business), iPhone and a hobby (Apple TV). Out of those, the only one not fully running the same base sofware is the iPod (not for long). Certainly, they know what their core business is.

I really, really, want to get back to Mac's. I think the iPhone has distracted Steve and crew from their core business.

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What's the big deal?

Really, what's the big deal? If I remember correctly, most if not all cellular carriers charge an early cancellation fee in the US (except the pay-as-you-go options).

This is a non-issue everyone is making a big fuss about. Cingular/At&T charges a cancellation fee by the months left on your contract. The earlier you cancel, the higher the cost and that amount can go up to $200 max at one point.

iPhone is no special.
 
This Just In!!!

As Apple has said from the beginning you have to sign a 2 year contract. The argument of a "discount = contract" is null and void because with the iPhone your "discount" is your ability to buy the phone. Also, I noticed on AI they said they dontt know what current customers are going to do. I've talked to an AT&T service rep and it just starts your 2 year contract over again and since there is no monetary discount you're gonna pay the exact same amount as those who are done w/ their contract. (she was reading that directly from an in-house memorandum to the employees)

Still weighing if I want one or not - d@mn the temptation!!!
 
Cancellation fees are usually reimbursement for the cell phone subsidy. ATT pays $200 of the cell phone cost and needs that money back if you cancel your service. The fact that the cancellation fee will apply to the iPhone is evidence that a "subsidy" payment is still occuring. However, the $200 isn't going to the cost of the phone, so where is it going? Apple's pocket.
No. More likely this is AT&T's way of covering the cost of the $50 million upgrade to their network to handle the iPhone. Because of this "upgrade" I doubt a "pay-as-you-go" option will be available for a while.

Another reason for an early cancellation fee to to deter churn.
 
1. The fact that no Apple retail stores are equipped to handle activations for AT&T. Apple wants ZERO to do with AT&T activations or customer service. Absolutely zero. (Except via an automated process, i.e., iTunes.)

2. The fact that since Apple says an AppleID and iTunes is *required* for activation, one can assume that, well, iTunes is required for activation. I.e., iTunes is being used for self-activation.

3. Because of 2., one would assume that iPhones ordered via apple.com will be sold and delivered to the customer WITHOUT activation, for self-activation.

4. If the Apple online store process works like that, there is no reason to have Apple retail stores doing activation for customers because of 1., and because the entire self-activation process has already been built.

So yes, it appears almost (you conveniently ignore a word, there) 100% certain that iPhones will be available via Apple without activation, with self-activation happening via iTunes. I don't know why people find this so difficult to comprehend.

I don't find that difficult to comprehend, but I do think one will be able to activate the phones at brick & mortar Apple Stores via iTunes (as well as at AT&T stores, obviously).
Apple Store employees will be there to assist with that activation process - which will be incredibly intuitive, as there will only be three iPhone-specific plans offered by AT&T. Simply click the button next to the plan that works for you, check out and your iPhone will auto activate. Neat.

Just a guess, tho. As with most everyone, we have no idea until we're told, how this will all go down. Should make for a fun Friday.
 
$175 is cheaper than what I would have to pay to get out of my Alltel contract.

And before anyone says that's for the phone subsidy, well my phone is a piece of junk. No one would want it. I'm will to bet the iPhone will last the length of the contract whereas EVERY phone I have had in the past has not.

Luckily my contract with Alltel has expired so I won't have a problem. Now if I can just get a good place in line.
 
The biggest missing piece of information is the voice/data plan. I suspect the cost of the plan maybe lower than normal, especially data aspects of the plan. Apple would want a nice overall experience with the iPhone and not to have it ruined by a bad or excessively expensive plan.

Yep, I agree. Apple could have gone far with .Mac but it's been a total failure. The iPhone simply can't fail so I'm sure there will be some sort of package deal exclusive to the iPhone. It doesn't make sense otherwise.
 
If I was going to blow $600 what's another $175? IMHO its worth it to get away from Crapular. I would probably be willing to go as high as $250.

Yes I really do loath the new AT&T with the white hot intensity of a thousand burning suns.
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When you cancel the contract, will they unlock the phone as well?

Here in Israel, cell carriers are forced by law to unlock their phones for a fee. Is there a similiar law in the US?
 


Boston.com is reporting that iPhone subscribers will have to pay $175 to break their two year contract.

Even though AT&T isn't subsidizing the iPhone's hefty price -- $499 to $599, depending on the storage capacity a customer chooses -- the company will charge a $175 termination fee for iPhone users who want to break their two-year contracts.

Okay, can we just drop the charade here?

Essentially, we have a $599 to $699 phone being subsidized by AT&T down the $499 to $599. From a consumer viewpoint, that's exactly all we've got here. Maybe the corporate deal between Apple and AT&T calls it something different, like "profit sharing", or "infrastructural improvement bonds" or whatever other lawyerly gobbledegook they devised.

But to you and I, this is absolutely positively no different than every other carrier-subsidized phone out there.

Other than, of course, the fact that it only runs on one network (AT&T) and we don't have the option of paying more up front to avoid the (meaningless because there is nowhere else I can use that $600 iPhone!) 2-year contract.

So, not only do we have every single one of the anti-consumer lock-in predatory practices here, we also get a whole new brand of inventive anti-consumer predatory practices.

When they said Apple was going to change the whole way cell phone companies do business, this is not what I was imagining! Who else out there thought things could get markedly worse for the consumer?


Early cancellation fees are typical for mobile phone contracts in the U.S., but the article points out that these fees typically help cover the phone subsidies that mobile carriers offer on new phones. The iPhone, however, has been heavily rumored not to benefit from these retail discounts. Regardless, AT&T spokesperson Mark Siegel justifies the fee by noting that

"There are certain fixed costs we incur in serving every customer who establishes service with us."

And, yes, as anyone who's ever opened a cell phone account knows, you collect those fees up front. And they amount to $35, last time I checked. If there was $175 worth of costs in getting a person into your customer database, then you'd be charging that to the folks that sign on without 2-year contracts. But, you don't. You charge $35 (which, btw, is obviously highway robbery as it stands).

IMHO, if you have to hide fees like this (activation and setup and cancellation fees) then you haven't found an honest, working business model. Those of us who work on large-scale database systems every day know how little it costs to add a few records in one or two tables to identify and "activate" your customers. If you aren't able to absorb those costs in the day-to-day profits of your business then, I'm sorry, you shouldn't be in business.

Sigh. And phone company execs wonder why they are so universally hated ...
 
And to everyone weeks ago clamoring that the removal of the "with 2 yr activation" from the ads as being a change of heart from the companies, what do you say now?

No one else sees that as a blatant attempt to mislead consumers knowing full well back then it would have caused a bit of an uproar?

Signing up for this is absolutely ridiculous for 2 years. We all know that this model is already showing its age, and they expect customers to keep it for 2 years? Sure when the new model comes out you can go and get the new one, signing up for 2 MORE YEARS from that date. Haha, this is turning into a real joke. So much for the revolution in the mobile phone industry. AT&T got a sweet deal out of this, locking people down for many years to come.
 
And to everyone weeks ago clamoring that the removal of the "with 2 yr activation" from the ads as being a change of heart from the companies, what do you say now?

No one else sees that as a blatant attempt to mislead consumers knowing full well back then it would have caused a bit of an uproar?

Signing up for this is absolutely ridiculous for 2 years. We all know that this model is already showing its age, and they expect customers to keep it for 2 years? Sure when the new model comes out you can go and get the new one, signing up for 2 MORE YEARS from that date. Haha, this is turning into a real joke. So much for the revolution in the mobile phone industry. AT&T got a sweet deal out of this, locking people down for many years to come.

Crapular hasn't locked anyone down. Its simple. You want out? Fork over $175. And there is nothing misleading about the ads. When you sign on the dotted line somewhere in that contract is the cancellation fee. Its the consumers responsibility to look over that contract and ask questions.
 
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