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oblivian

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Sep 27, 2010
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Today, my iPhone simply says, expired.
Problem is, I can't restore the iPhone without losing everything on it, because iTunes can't initiate a backup since, you guessed it, because the iPhone has expired.

I take it some else has run into this problem and can advise me how to proceed.

Thanks
 
THAT ^^^^ up there, or hold down the home and sleep button until the screen flashes and reboots, while its rebooting continue to hold the home button and make sure your iphone is connected the whole time so it can trigger the recovery mode on the phone.
 
Yes, it's a beta, but it was the GM and I have earlier checked for updates and iTunes have reported I have the latest version.

The thing is, I am desperate to get out of the hell that being in the Apple developer loop. OK, now I'll get a newer beta (if it exists hopefully), and the iPhone works again, but I can't backup and restore it to a normal/official release because iPhone refuse to restore backup with a newer OS to an older one.

What on earth are these people thinking?
 
oblivian said:
Yes, it's a beta, but it was the GM and I have earlier checked for updates and iTunes have reported I have the latest version.

The thing is, I am desperate to get out of the hell that being in the Apple developer loop. OK, now I'll get a newer beta (if it exists hopefully), and the iPhone works again, but I can't backup and restore it to a normal/official release because iPhone refuse to restore backup with a newer OS to an older one.
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If you download the newest release, you should be able to manually restore by holding the command key when you click the restore button.

What on earth are these people thinking?
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Apple clearly says not to install betas on anything other than dev devices.
 
mikeee said:
THAT ^^^^ up there, or hold down the home and sleep button until the screen flashes and reboots, while its rebooting continue to hold the home button and make sure your iphone is connected the whole time so it can trigger the recovery mode on the phone.
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Well, I can restore the phone, the problem is that everything will be wiped out. I want to do a simple backup and restore, not just restore.
 
grapes911 said:
Apple clearly says not to install betas on anything other than dev devices.
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No, they don't. Perhaps in a SLA containing 30+ pages no one reads anyways. It should say: DO NOT INSTALL THIS BETA ON A PHONE IN PRODUCTION when installing. The problem is if you have installed a beta in the first place there's no way out. Unless you wan't to lose all your data.
 
oblivian said:
No, they don't. Perhaps in a SLA containing 30+ pages no one reads anyways. It should say: DO NOT INSTALL THIS BETA ON A PHONE IN PRODUCTION when installing. The problem is if you have installed a beta in the first place there's no way out. Unless you wan't to lose all your data.
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It's actually right on the download page. It's highlighted in yellow and there is a large caution image. The section is titled "Read Me Before Downloading" and has a few bullet points. The third point is "iOS 4.2 beta should only be installed on devices dedicated exclusively for iOS 4.2 beta testing. Do not install this software if you do not have a device dedicated exclusively for iOS 4.2 beta testing". I'm sure they update the version number for each release.

Edit: Here is an image I found on Google images to confirm. This would be from a prior release though.
ios-4.1-beta2-500x327.jpg
 
oblivian said:
Yes, it's a beta, but it was the GM and I have earlier checked for updates and iTunes have reported I have the latest version.

The thing is, I am desperate to get out of the hell that being in the Apple developer loop. OK, now I'll get a newer beta (if it exists hopefully), and the iPhone works again, but I can't backup and restore it to a normal/official release because iPhone refuse to restore backup with a newer OS to an older one.

What on earth are these people thinking?
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Here's an idea: don't sign up for a developer program when you're obviously not a serious developer.


oblivian said:
No, they don't. Perhaps in a SLA containing 30+ pages no one reads anyways. It should say: DO NOT INSTALL THIS BETA ON A PHONE IN PRODUCTION when installing. The problem is if you have installed a beta in the first place there's no way out. Unless you wan't to lose all your data.
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They absolutely do spell it out in short, plain writing just above the link to download it like in the screenshot that grapes posted. It has been this way since the very first beta of iPhone OS 2.0.
 
oblivian said:
No, they don't. Perhaps in a SLA containing 30+ pages no one reads anyways. It should say: DO NOT INSTALL THIS BETA ON A PHONE IN PRODUCTION when installing. The problem is if you have installed a beta in the first place there's no way out. Unless you wan't to lose all your data.
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For future reference, the general definition of BETA is, "not intended for production." Most (but not all obviously) developers and QA people understand this.
 
Yes, but you know just as well as I that it doesn't say that on the 4.1 download page... 4.2 is a very early beta.
 
oblivian said:
Yes, but you know just as well as I that it doesn't say that on the 4.1 download page... 4.2 is a very early beta.
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It doesn't say that now because 4.1 is no longer beta, but it absolutely did say it when 4.1 was in beta (including GM).

Like I said, Apple have always put that warning on every pre-release firmware they have offered on the developer site.
 
RaceTripper said:
For future reference, the general definition of BETA is, "not intended for production." Most (but not all obviously) developers and QA people understand this.
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Listen, I don't want to wip this dead horse any longer, but what you are saying is just wrong. A BETA doesn't mean; "expect bricked phone", it mean; "expect minor bugs".

Tell me one other company that bricks your device without warning? Not a tiny tincy little warning a day or two before execution. Sure, all beta releases comes with an implicit warning and risk, but I dare say most, if not all, other beta releases regardless of OS/software/manufacturer or target device, doesn't brick a device routinely and on purpose.

I am not saying I am without responsibility, but bricking a device is so grave they should make double sure users are aware.

Anyways, I have restored the iPhone to 4.1. The latest backup was from sep 8th, so I didn't lose much except a lot of SMS.

And must say the gloating attitude from some of the users in this thread over my misfortune is just sickening. You should be ashamed.
 
oblivian said:
Listen, I don't want to wip this dead horse any longer, but what you are saying is just wrong. A BETA doesn't mean; "expect bricked phone", it mean; "expect minor bugs".

Tell me one other company that bricks your device without warning? Not a tiny tincy little warning a day or two before execution. Sure, all beta releases comes with an implicit warning and risk, but I dare say most, if not all, other beta releases regardless of OS/software/manufacturer or target device, doesn't brick a device routinely and on purpose.

I am not saying I am without responsibility, but bricking a device is so grave they should make double sure users are aware.

Anyways, I have restored the iPhone to 4.1. The latest backup was from sep 8th, so I didn't lose much except a lot of SMS.

And must say the gloating attitude from some of the users in this thread over my misfortune is just sickening. You should be ashamed.
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No, I disagree. Beta means: not for production, expect issues, believed to be stable but not guaranteed, enter at your own peril.

As others have stated, Apple warns not to install betas on production devices. As a developer, I have installed beta software on my working machines, but I know the deal that goes with it (which is which I keep multiple and frequent backups). if something goes wrong I can only blame myself.

I may not have read through all the replies, but I didn't catch any gloating. I do see plenty of confirmation that Apple provides ample warning against installing betas on production devices.

Have you considered just not doing the beta thing? Just sayin'...
 
RaceTripper said:
No, I disagree. Beta means: not for production, expect issues, believed to be stable but not guaranteed, enter at your own peril.
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Well, we will just have to disagree on this one. I just don't expect a beta to intentionally brick my device. Frankly, I've never heard of it before. Have you? Seriously? And yes, I backed up my device prior to installing the beta. Just a pity that was 3 weeks ago. It's been working flawlessly until today.

RaceTripper said:
Have you considered just not doing the beta thing? Just sayin'...
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I promise you, if you'd been stuck with IOS4.0 (Official) on iPhone 3G like I was you'd be desperate too. Extremely slow and buggy. IOS4.0 was clearly a BETA release, at least on iPhone 3G.

I'm on official releases now, and no, I wont ever installed a so called Apple BETA release again. They make up their own insane rules, not seen anywhere else in the digital world. No logic, pure madness.
 
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