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wow, android is not doing NEARLY as well as you'd think from reading tech sites. I know it's still young, but still. I am in the camp that says RIM will falter sooner or later if they don't update their offerings.

What surprises me is that even Nokia are doing better than Android yet they get summarily dismissed as irrelevant by the US tech press.
 
What surprises me is that even Nokia are doing better than Android yet they get summarily dismissed as irrelevant by the US tech press.

Nokia has a large amount of models on offer and is very entrenched in the industry. Compared to Nokia, Android arrived just yesterday. Don't forget that Nokia is also in a downward slide.
 
Who's marketshare

The real thing to ponder is that now Apple surpasses Windows Mobile, who will loose marketshare now that Google is in the game?

Palm is most likely toast. Windows Mobile? Does not seem to be what 3rd parties will go after. Instead, I see Apple and Google fighting over Blackberry (RIM) market, but most all growth will come from newbies. That's the biggest opportunity. Its best to not focus on the current smartphone users, but the people who are about to purchase one. Will then go with a Blackberry, Droid, or iPhone?
 
I've never used Windows Mobile so I can't comment on it.

I have a G1 and love it but it's not for everybody

iPhones hit that sweet spot between easy to use and easy to tweak I guess :]
 
wow, android is not doing NEARLY as well as you'd think from reading tech sites.

Keep in mind these are only US numbers. For most smartphone makers the US market is pretty irrelevant because of its crappy mobile network. For example the HTC Hero outsold the iPhone 2-3:1 in Europe, also the HD2 is doing really well here.

The US customers don't have much choice when it comes to smartphones. They can basically choose between the iPhone, Droid and Pre and RIM - that's it. While in other parts of the world you maybe get around 4 new smartphones every month to choose from, like in Europe for example the N900, the HD2, the milestone (Droid) plus a couple of Nokia E series models in November.

Scandinavia got their 4G (LTE; up to 1Gb/s) network on December 16th, while the US still doesn't even have HSPA+ and AT&T is only planning for HSDPA 7.2 right now.
 
Momentum

The real shocker is the rate of growth deduced from that graph, as pictured below:

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It clearly shows Google and Palm losing momentum as their rate of growth shrinks after July. :eek:

note:The data in this graph was not altered in any way, but nonetheless you shouldn't take it seriously, as discussed below in this thread.
 
The real shocker is the rate of growth deduced from that graph, as pictured below:

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It clearly shows Google and Palm losing momentum as their rate of growth shrinks after July. :eek:

The problem with your graph is it does not span enough time really be worth any thing. If you notice it lines up with new releases of things like the iphone and does not show what is like over the long term. You data is short term only.

Problems with apple info spanning years is right now you only have about a year worth of useable data to play with to look for trends because the 3G was the first world wide release and 1G phone was brand new. Both of it kills the usefulness of see trends. Apple other problem is the new asia market damages this years data.

Now you do have about 2 years of ok data for US only. But it just a lot of extra odd balls damaging the usefulness of the iPhone data.
 
The problem with your graph is it does not span enough time really be worth any thing...
Agreed.

Specially in the case of Google, as the Droid was not released until November, and it created lots of expectation, probably hurting Android sales prior to its release. Apple's 3GS release had a similar effect.

I just couldn't resist looking at the numbers on that graph.

"Lies, damned lies and statistics" :rolleyes:

note: I did not alter the original data to produce my graph. ;)
 
Nexus One is going to eat RIM's lunch in 2010. Then it's dinner, breakfast and it's babies by 2012. Then 2013 is going to be the FINAL showdown between the fruit & GOOG, like 2 bull elephants colliding. :):D
 
You and I don't always agree, but this is an eminently sensible view. Can't deny that.

Thank you, LTD. And Happy Holidays!

The problem with your graph is it does not span enough time really be worth any thing. If you notice it lines up with new releases of things like the iphone...

+1. Every summer Apple's new model takes first place on the USA charts. A month or two later a Blackberry goes back to being first place for the rest of the year.

Also, just before each new iPhone model comes, Apple sales drop dramatically. It's a problem having just one model with a predictable switchover.

Even RIM had that problem last fall... its sales dropped off dramatically when people started waiting for the Storm and Bold and Tour to arrive.
 
Nokia has a large amount of models on offer and is very entrenched in the industry. Compared to Nokia, Android arrived just yesterday. Don't forget that Nokia is also in a downward slide.

Er, no. Nokia grew. That's what the graph shows. They have very few smartphone models now in the USA also.
 
Especially when I see my manager with his "new shiny thing on the Internet" Iphone dropping calls and missing meetings because his network and phone are so bad at dealing with corporate realities.

FWIW, your manager probably talks about his "boneheaded employee with the WinMo phone" that does nothing well except for mobile Outlook and wonders why said boneheaded employee sings WinMo's praises day and night while smearing the iPhone every chance he gets.

Sounds like he's the boss for a reason. :p

P.S. methinks I smell some exaggeration regarding your manager's epic call failure (and meeting absence) rate.
 
FWIW, your manager probably talks about his "boneheaded employee with the WinMo phone" that does nothing well except for mobile Outlook and wonders why said boneheaded employee sings WinMo's praises day and night while smearing the iPhone every chance he gets.

Seems to be his crusade around here, doesn't it? Singing praises of an archaic and faulty platform, while dissing a more current and successful one.

Sounds like he's the boss for a reason. :p

Leave it to the 'employee,' who feels convinced that he knows better.

P.S. methinks I smell some exaggeration regarding your manager's epic call failure (and meeting absence) rate.

Perhaps we ought to mention Verizon's call failure rate on the East Coast, where contacts of mine complain on a routine basis about Verizon's dropped call rate, hidden charges, deceptive fees, and comparatively slow data transfer rate to 3G.

It's always fun to hear a WinMo defender spreading the same sort of FUD around here, of which he hypocritically, yet valiantly, claims to be combatting.
 
Seems that they've already successfully done that, recently:

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"It's just a rounding error, trust me - millions of people still use our mobile software around the world - just wait until we roll out our next version."

"Wow, this is bad... what was this called again?"

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Huh, sucks to be Microsoft right now in the Mobile Dept.
 
Does this really come as a surprise?

WinMo is trash. And MS has pushed back WinMo 7 to late 2010, when no one will care anymore. MS seems to have Zuned their entire mobile strategy, not that there was really any mobile strategy to speak of for the last few years, aside from whoring out WinMo in whatever condition to any hardware manufacturer who would take it. But hardly shocking, since they can barely get their core (in)competency right.

I agree, WinMo has been a crapfest since......forever. The iPhone (and Android as well) is such a superior mobile computing device that it's not even comparable to WinMo.


If the Storm 2 is the best they can do, then RIM is in for a rude awakening. iPhone will surpass RIM share in due course, and it'll happen sooner than people would like to think.

I agree here too. My boss has the Storm 2 and in comparison to my Droid, a co-worker's 3Gs, and another co-worker's N900, the Storm 2 is horrible. Just a pathetic implementation of a touch screen phone.
 
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