iPhone 'Hello World' Application

[EagerDragon]

This is irrelevant, hacking the iPhone to put applications is only a temporary measure that may add instability to the iPhone.

The press is picking this up and plastering it all over the place, I hear a lot of un-informed people saying that iPhones are not any good because they are being hacked all the time. That they do not need their information stolen and viruses running on their iPhone.

To a lot of people a hacker is a bad guy, to a lot of people a hack is a bad thing. People don't understand the difference.

Apple provided developers with a temporary answer (web 2.0) and stated that they were coming with a better solution as soon as the security concerns can be addressed.

Have a little patience, this is giving Apple a bad rap.

 

[vga4life]

Hahhaaanothing... all you guys are clueless. The reason why Treos and Blackberrys tend to be so crash-prone, as other phones with third party apps is... wait for it, wait for it... BECAUSE OF THIRD PARTY APPS!!!

Nope. My Treo's not crash prone and I use at least 4 third-party apps every day (Handmark Scrabble, Google Maps, pssh, Chatter Email). The crappy first-party browser (Blazer) is the main thing that crashes on me. It's the third-party apps that make my Treo useful (and let me avoid the crappy built-in browser.)

All you people whining for third party apps will then be the same ones who complain when the iPhone becomes an unstable platform, blaming Apple instead of the developers who make crappy applications that make the iPhone unstable.

No, we won't. We people whining for third-party apps might be willing to buy an iPhone then. Right now, we're sensibly waiting.

It's the clueless leading the clueless here sometimes I swear.

You calling yourself a leader?

Fanboys, I swear...

 

[joshysquashy]

Apple provided developers with a temporary answer (web 2.0) and stated that they were coming with a better solution as soon as the security concerns can be addressed.

Have a little patience, this is giving Apple a bad rap.

Did they really say they were coming up with a better solution? i didn't hear that, I thought they said Web 2.0 was the solution.

I would like to see Apple add 3rd party support, but I don't think they have announced anything yet.

 

[slughead]

for now, Apple is sticking to the Web 2.0 development plan and hosting iPhone Tech Talks in major cities to help developers with their iPhone web-applications.

It made me laugh so hard when the guy at macworld said "Yeah we're gonna have third party apps, they'll be web 2.0 apps!"

What a cop-out. The only reason they aren't releasing an SDK is because the first thing to come out would be AIM which would circumvent text messaging (which they make MASSIVE AMOUNTS of money on).

You can also send SMS for free online using callwave (though the recipient is charged).

I still can't believe they charge for SMS, it's literally just a handful of bytes of data. They're just ripping people off.

Anyways, if there are 3rd party apps, you can bet Apple and ATT will keep them limited to games and other non-internet stuff that would compete with their offerings.

I'm glad for Apple: congrats on getting people to pay gobs of money for something they could get for nothing or next to nothing. Hopefully they'll use that money as R&D to make something useful (*cough* leopard).

 

[ckinyc]

Well said!
I was going to try the ringtone hack but... it is not something I can live w/o. I rather have the expense report app and to do list etc. Now I won't mind hacking for those apps.

YEAH -- give me some way to manage my passwords on the iPhone. Right now I'm using a neat app called SplashID that is a Mac app and a matching Palm app that syncs between my Palm phone and the Mac -- no way I want a web-based app to store all my passwords. I need a native iPhone app that can sync with the Mac to keep my passwords up to date, no matter which device I'm using. Another reason to have it as a local iPhone app is that if you are inside a building with no cell phone coverage and need to look-up a password to access specific sites on your desktop computer, it sure would be handy to have that data local on your iPhone.

Maybe somebody will even come up with a ToDo app for the iPhone that syncs with the ToDo's in iCal -- what a novel idea, eh?

Or, how about an expense report app to keep track of your daily expenses while traveling (even to places without AT&T coverage).

And the list goes on and on of practical LOCAL applications that would be extremely useful on the iPhone to personalize it to a perfect PERSONAL information manager.

 

[ClimbingTheLog]

I wonder when Apple will provide a real SDK, and open it up?

When they figure out how to prevent Skype from working. AT&T must have this as a stipulated contract term.

As long as the hack doesn't allow the pirating of service (unlocking too) allow it, if it does allow for some kind of pirating of service that "fix' it with an update.

I'm sure AT&T would see VOIP as stealing. Write your congressmen if you want to see a fair competitive phone/network field. I'm sure Apple would embrace it.

Hahhaaanothing... all you guys are clueless. The reason why Treos and Blackberrys tend to be so crash-prone, as other phones with third party apps is... wait for it, wait for it... BECAUSE OF THIRD PARTY APPS!!!

Nope, it's because the OS sucks. A decent OS has memory protection, like MacOS X so an app can't crash the OS. PalmOS doesn't. Don't know really about the RIM OS, but nothing they do is right, so I'm guessing it's similar.

The next Treo will be running Linux. You might be able to crash the Palm5 emulator, but any native apps will keep on working. That's where all of us will be going who need real 3rd party apps and/or CDMA. Apple is already in the process of acquiring Palm, so there's still hope.

 

[whateverandever]

Funny cause the iPhone crashes with 1st party apps.

w00master

I second that. My iPhone crashes frequently when even hanging up a phone call using the off button. My Treo crashes maybe weekly... my iPhone daily.

 

[johnee]

I guarantee the reason apple is pushing web apps so hard is because AT&T forced it. I'm thinking people might not buy/use web services if they had standalone apps.

am i wrong in that you wouldn't need the unlimited data package if you had standalone apps and your home wifi connection?

suppose you would be limited when you're not at home, but that alone might not prod someone into paying $40 a month (or whatever the price) for data package.

 

[Jona7]

JOBS LET DEVELOPERS MAKE THIRD PARTY APPS!! or widgets or whatever

 

[MhzDoesMatter]

Who said anything about DRM on the phone? This isn't even about DRM. Go read a book or something.

These endeavors are almost purely academic. I hope no 3rd party developer I support would try to release an app based on almost/essentially reverse-engineered developer tools. I dont like that the iPhone has no true 3rd party development. Thats why I dont have one. But anyone who uses "hacked applications" on theirs is taking quite the risk.

And yes, Apple may fight this. Not because they're some dumb company who think they can outsmart all the nerds out there. But because they may have to. Just like they had to put up some measure of protection that would atleast provide a considerable hurdle. Cause only nerds on message boards would ever figure out how to beat it and while it may hurt your feelings, the truth is, Apple doesn't really care what nerds do. You are not the target audience. And you're not really that big enough to make a difference. The minute anything reaches any mass market level, however, expect a swift reply.

Native 3rd party development on the iPhone will come.

I'll wait till it does.

dude, seriously...webapps are so freakin gay....if i were developer, i would think twice about making a gay 'webapp' ffs

What are you, six?

 

[Poll Smoker]

Who said anything about DRM on the phone? This isn't even about DRM. Go read a book or something.

What are you, six?

Please don't be a hater. The world is big enough for all opinions.

 

[zorinlynx]

I believe we'll do the same thing that we do with badly written PalmOS apps that crash the Treo:

REMOVE THE BAD APP!

Like, duhh. And if someone wants a more stable phone, they can refrain from installing 3rd party apps.

Not rocket science folks.

Hahhaaanothing... all you guys are clueless. The reason why Treos and Blackberrys tend to be so crash-prone, as other phones with third party apps is... wait for it, wait for it... BECAUSE OF THIRD PARTY APPS!!!

All you people whining for third party apps will then be the same ones who complain when the iPhone becomes an unstable platform, blaming Apple instead of the developers who make crappy applications that make the iPhone unstable.

It's the clueless leading the clueless here sometimes I swear.

 

[pacohaas]

Please.

People rated the "Apple releases iPhone" article as Negative.

-Clive

see, but that makes sense to me. People might be hoping apple sticks to updating it's current lineup instead of stretching even thinner with a new product. I think it's more of a problem when people rate without saying why. The 3rd party app crashing argument is one to think about, and we'll see how that plays out. I do agree that if an app seems to be causing problems, you simply remove it. Once the Apple released apps become more stable, I see no reason why they shouldn't open an SDK for creating apps.

 

[notsofatjames]

Please.

People rated the "Apple releases iPhone" article as Negative.

-Clive

maybe becuase they didn't like the idea of apple branching into different areas other than computing and mp3 players. It not my opinion, but everyone's entitled to one.

I think 3rd party developmnt is quite important, but not as important as everyone makes out. The iPod doesnt support 3rd party applications, if you except games, and thats one of the biggest things to hit consumer electronics in the last 10years!

 

[pixlnet]

Enough of the iPhone SDK garbage. What kind of apps do you want to run on iPhone...that you can't do with a web app? This thing is a phone...not a computer. If you want to play dope wars....load the thing up from your bookmarks.

Opening up the thing to 3rd parties is exactly what SHOULD NOT happen. If there is demand for a certain feature, etc. Apple will include the thing.

It seems as though everyone who wants 3rd party apps want AIM or Skype. Don't blast Apple or Cingular for you wanting to blow up their business model.

BTW, if you want to text someone for free just email to SMS. All the big cellco's offer this. For example if I want to text myself reminders, I send something to 1234508615@messaging.sprintpcs.com Lookup your carriers domain and enter your phone number before it. Add that to a contact in Mail on your iPhone and you're all set.

Seriously though....this phone is successful because it's trying to do a few things and do them well. Let's not ruin a good think OK?

If it's that important to you go web app. It's really a great solution to this problem.

 

[Roy Hobbs]

Enough of the iPhone SDK garbage. What kind of apps do you want to run on iPhone...that you can't do with a web app? This thing is a phone...not a computer. If you want to play dope wars....load the thing up from your bookmarks.

Opening up the thing to 3rd parties is exactly what SHOULD NOT happen. If there is demand for a certain feature, etc. Apple will include the thing.

It seems as though everyone who wants 3rd party apps want AIM or Skype. Don't blast Apple or Cingular for you wanting to blow up their business model.

BTW, if you want to text someone for free just email to SMS. All the big cellco's offer this. For example if I want to text myself reminders, I send something to 1234508615@messaging.sprintpcs.com Lookup your carriers domain and enter your phone number before it. Add that to a contact in Mail on your iPhone and you're all set.

Seriously though....this phone is successful because it's trying to do a few things and do them well. Let's not ruin a good think OK?

If it's that important to you go web app. It's really a great solution to this problem.

For starters EDGE is slow, I want my apps to open and function as fast as the other apps on the iPhone. Reason 2 is that calls go to VM when using EDGE, I should not have to miss calls becuase I need to use an app.

 

[MhzDoesMatter]

Please don't be a hater. The world is big enough for all opinions.

Sorry, but with global warming raising seas and eroding beaches and with the burgeoning human population surging out of control, I respectfully assert that the world is NOT big enough for opinions as worthless ass as "web apps are gay."



Hertz

 

[elppa]

I don't see much point, because when Apple release a full SDK (which they will eventually — remember the first Mac didn't have a SDK to begin with) it will blow their efforts out the water.

I think it will just be a lot of wasted programming hours.

 

[glennyboiwpg]

Why must you use such language?

dude, seriously...webapps are so freakin gay...i hate it...especially over edge..if i were developer, i would think twice about making a gay 'webapp' ffs


JOBS LET DEVELOPERS MAKE THIRD PARTY APPS!! or widgets or whatever

I don't mean to be a nag, but i'm kinda offended by your comment. "webapps are so freeking gay"...

Homophobic comments should not be torrerated anymore then negitive comments made towards african americans, jewish people, woman, etc.

I have seen people stick up for other nationalities/races before on macrumors.

Please don't put up with this either.

Lets keep macrumors friendly for all of the visitors.

 

[pixlnet]

I really think Apple and AT&T went with EDGE to limit bandwidth on the unlimited packages. I don't see other 3g phones having crap battery life. I think it's something Apple will definitely include in future versions...but I think it has to do more with network prices than it does battery life/size.

The problem with opening the iPhone up this this: It it designed to do a few things and do them well. Great iPod, easy to use phone, easy to use device, and full internet capabilities.

When you take something that is designed so well to work together (navigation, transitions, etc) and you throw in a bunch of junk (yea i said it...add your crap icons and the thing will look like a sanyo) then the problem you tried to solve isn't solved....and you have more problems.

So I think a great workaround for this is the Web Apps. Theyre off in the cloud...theres no installing/uninstalling/software updating so it can't break what the iPhone is trying to do. It's a great user experience they created and honestly, adding some toy app that developers want to make can only take away from that.

Tadalist is probably the best iPhone webapp I've come across. It's served much better on the web also. Like I said no need to update/uninstall/etc. Move the 3rd party apps to the edges (no pun intended).

There will no doubt be 3g added eventually. So for now your apps may have a slight lag....but it's much better than having my iPod crash or my phone stuck in a restart loop. Most people here are computer savvy...now imagine joe schmoe with these problems. I don't want to hear about them and nobody wants to deal with them. An SDK can only cause problems.

 

[pacohaas]

If it's that important to you go web app. It's really a great solution to this problem.

I fail to see how it's "really a great solution", even for games. On my current phone, I like to play sudoku, backgammon, tetris, etc to pass the time....but wait before you say "there are web versions of those", because the times when I play them the most are when I'm on a plane in airplane mode. Correct me if I'm wrong(I hope so), but even if you have these games bookmarked, you're not going to be able to play them without internet access, which makes no sense for a single-player game. I'm sure people can come up with arguments for useful apps besides games, but that's the one that would affect my cell phone usage. If/when I get an iPhone, I don't also want to carry my ROKR along just so I can play games while outside of service areas.

As stated before, as long as the OS is coded correctly(I believe OS-X has proved this), an unstable app cannot bring down your entire system, the app itself will simply crash. So the point about causing instability is not valid, and if you encounter such an app you would simple remove it.

 

[pixlnet]

You have a very valid point. When I responded...I didn't really have those widget type games in mind since Apple sells them for iPod. I'd imagine they'll offer those soon for the iPhone as well.

OS X crashes differently. Sometimes Finder won't restart when it's supposed to and sometimes Flash will crash Safari to a point where the system is unresponsive so you have to hold power. Most of the time Force Quit works.

I never want to see a Force Quit option on the iPhone.

 

[Snowy_River]

I really think Apple and AT&T went with EDGE to limit bandwidth on the unlimited packages. I don't see other 3g phones having crap battery life. I think it's something Apple will definitely include in future versions...but I think it has to do more with network prices than it does battery life/size.

Well, according to this size and battery draw would seem to be major issues.

Web apps just don't cut it because there are too many places where you won't have service (and therefore no access to these apps), and there are things that you might like to do, like keeping track of finances, that you wouldn't want to be broadcasting over the net. Much safer to keep that kind of information strictly in a local app.

An SDK can only cause problems.

I'm going to echo what others have said and disagree. A well designed SDK on a well designed OS shouldn't be problematic at all.

 

[Poll Smoker]

Sorry, but with global warming raising seas and eroding beaches and with the burgeoning human population surging out of control, I respectfully assert that the world is NOT big enough for opinions as worthless ass as "web apps are gay."



Hertz

Opinions are like smelly butts. Everyone has one!

 

[brepublican]

maybe becuase they didn't like the idea of apple branching into different areas other than computing and mp3 players. It not my opinion, but everyone's entitled to one.

I'm very quickly getting tired of all the iPhone news, not to mention the non-news. Maybe its because I dont have one??

*sigh*

EDIT: No, seriously, I'm friggin tired of reading about the friggin iPhone