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White I totally understand your argument that governments cannot dictate private entities what to do, we have probably entered new post-corporate age.

Companies nowadays are not simply private entities, they have certain degree of social responsibility. Tight OS lock-ins, artificial barriers in what you can do all create that responsibility. People get tied to certain brands because they have their rules.

In my opinion, USB-C mandate was much-needed push. Who knows how many years it would have taken Apple to implement that already mature connector.
Apple was clearly moving to USB-C, might have taken then a year or two more, but they were clearly moving there.
I am just mad at EU they didn’t do it back in 2019 when many major Android phones have already switched to USB-C (example: abovementioned Galaxy S10+ for example which I sold due to stupid edge scree that I honestly couldn’t use).

Wrong? Sure, maybe. Good? Absolutely!

When time comes and they invent some sort of “USB-X”, EU will simply mandate everyone use that one and make USB-C obsolete. Overregulation? Yes, but what else to do if these companies milking their users for as long as they want.
The flaw in this argument is that now no one has any incentive to spend the money to develop a new port if it can’t be used in the EU. That is what the EU and defenders of these regulations miss.

It will be much harder for a new port will to be invented because who is going to spend $100m+ to design and popularize a port that can’t be used in the EU?

And we’ve already seen a phone manufacturer say “we can’t make the phone thinner because of the port” - so the EU has already negatively impacted product design.

Regulations exists so users will be able to get a better product. For same reason there are multiple regulations about power requirements, safety requirements and so on
Safety is a good use of government regulation. Making product design decisions that chill innovation is not. The free market was perfectly capable of solving that problem on its own.

Remember the EU wanted to mandate Micro-USB! I will never understand why anyone thinks the government mandating the port is a good idea after hearing that. Maybe we would have been laughing at thick, clunky USB-C in 5-10 years.

Back to the subject at hand, same deal for batteries. Government should be regulating the safety of batteries, not their design and removability. Who knows what sort of amazing designs will be prevented due to this government overreach.
 
White I totally understand your argument that governments cannot dictate private entities what to do, we have probably entered new post-corporate age.

Companies nowadays are not simply private entities, they have certain degree of social responsibility. Tight OS lock-ins, artificial barriers in what you can do all create that responsibility. People get tied to certain brands because they have their rules.

In my opinion, USB-C mandate was much-needed push. Who knows how many years it would have taken Apple to implement that already mature connector.

I am just mad at EU they didn’t do it back in 2019 when many major Android phones have already switched to USB-C (example: abovementioned Galaxy S10+ for example which I sold due to stupid edge scree that I honestly couldn’t use).

Wrong? Sure, maybe. Good? Absolutely!

When time comes and they invent some sort of “USB-X”, EU will simply mandate everyone use that one and make USB-C obsolete. Overregulation? Yes, but what else to do if these companies milking their users for as long as they want.

Regulations exists so users will be able to get a better product. For same reason there are multiple regulations about power requirements, safety requirements and so on

I think you are missing a lot of history here.

The EU has literally nothing to do with the USB-C standard or implementing it. That's the USB-IF which Apple is a board member on and worked with Intel heavily on with regards to Thunderbolt and USB4 etc. They were literally part of the design team for the USB-C standard in the first place. They also had nearly the first devices on the market.

The delay was, I suspect as they said it was, a completely user-centric choice and not related to pressure from the EU on this front at all. There was a slow rollout on their most popular device. As per many users I had Lightning accessories that I still needed. The EU however did seem to like taking credit for this transition.

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Going back to the original point, iPhone batteries have always been user replaceable. The problem is that most users do not have the skills, patience or knowledge to do it. It's not even hard. I've done several going back to the iPhone 5. It's just people have absolutely zero mechanical or material dexterity or knowledge at all. But they have an engineering opinion, which they are probably not entitled to if you ask me.

In my experience it is the same people who routinely moan about this who drive around in some Mercedes and pay 2x new iphones in cash in service every year, yet never perform the maintenance themselves.

I just got the battery replaced this weekend on my old 13 Pro which my daughter has. That is 4 years old now. I paid Apple £85 to do it and they had it for 2 hours and it's as good as new, the work was done professionally and the equipment used to seal/unseal it was the right stuff.

Does the EU really need to regulate that scenario?

No it's missing the point.

It should be regulating the trash end of the market. If you bring a product to market in the EU you should have a presence and a supply chain set up to offer repairs and to repair it for a reasonable lifetime. And you should dispose of it when the time comes as well.

Other companies need to step up and be more Apple, not hold Apple to account. They're sitting there hoping no one will notice them while everyone is complaining about Apple.

(that includes things down to childrens toys which arguably have a higher environmental impact on the use-once and throw in the trash scale)
 
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And we’ve already seen a phone manufacturer say “we can’t make the phone thinner because of the port” - so the EU has already negatively impacted product design.
I think the next frontier would be no ports at all🙂
Wireless data transfer (or even magsafe-like) is the way to go. I don’t believe Apple cannot do that and probably they will ditch the port in iPhones in future, same as in Apple Watch (which are tethered to an iPhone tho)


Remember the EU wanted to mandate Micro-USB! I will never understand why anyone thinks the government mandating the port is a good idea after hearing that. Maybe we would have been laughing at thick, clunky USB-C in 5-10 years.
Yeah, forgot to mention that back in 2019 while some flagships adopted back-then fresh and new USB-C, many cheaper devices were still micro USB, especially cameras and such. And I was like “umm and what am I supposed to buy, a port that goes obsolete in a year??”.

Despite that I still love there are companies eager to bring innovations to the market despite anything. I didn’t buy my GoPro Hero 5 back in 2016 for USB-C but it was like some stolen alien tech, yeah it is kinda non practical and probably easy to break (so I always charge my Mac with extra caution), but I liked the prospects of being able to charge everything with one single cable
 
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