iPhone Maker Foxconn Pours $1.5 Billion Into India Manufacturing Efforts

[Darth Tulhu]

India is likely the greatest threat to replace China's economy. Their labor is WAY cheaper than China's, they have enough people to replace China as the world's factory, and they're close enough to Asia to take advantage of the local supply chains that help China retain their current position.

China has no interest in doing anything that will help India's economy.

This is besides the point: BRICS+ is specifically designed to compete AGAINST the West.

China is looking for economic allyship with member countries, and American instability is making this easy.

And just because India can do something, doesn't mean they will (like become the manufacturing powerhouse China is).

In ANY case, my point still stands: Apple switching manufacturing from China to India is a lateral move, and BRICS is the reason.

 

[Obioban]

This is besides the point: BRICS+ is specifically designed to compete AGAINST the West.

China is looking for economic allyship with member countries, and American instability is making this easy.

And just because India can do something, doesn't mean they will (like become the manufacturing powerhouse China is).

In ANY case, my point still stands: Apple switching manufacturing from China to India is a lateral move, and BRICS is the reason.

When BRICS does anything to actually accomplish that goal, I might agree with you. Until then, I see India as the greatest threat to China's global position-- and anything they gain is going to come at China's expense. I don't see them as meaningful partners.

 

[Obioban]

This is besides the point: BRICS+ is specifically designed to compete AGAINST the West.

China is looking for economic allyship with member countries, and American instability is making this easy.

And just because India can do something, doesn't mean they will (like become the manufacturing powerhouse China is).

In ANY case, my point still stands: Apple switching manufacturing from China to India is a lateral move, and BRICS is the reason.

A full blown BRICS member (Iran), is now under a full blown attack, that is likely an existential threat to its government.

Crickets from their BRICS "allies".

 

[Darth Tulhu]

A full blown BRICS member (Iran), is now under a full blown attack, that is likely an existential threat to its government.

Crickets from their BRICS "allies".

Again, they are economic allies, not ideological ones. BRICS is not NATO.

Regardless, we'll see how all of this plays out as it is very early still, and "crickets" is not how I would describe China's reaction to the attack (nevermind other BRICS nations).

China reacts to Israel's attack on Iran

Israel said it struck Iran to pre-emptively stop an attack and end its ambitions to develop a nuclear bomb.

www.newsweek.com

It's early to tell what BRICS nations will do (if anything), but it is still irrelevant to my point that moving iPhone production from China to India is an ECONOMIC lateral move given that India and China are economic allies.

 

[Obioban]

Again, they are economic allies, not ideological ones. BRICS is not NATO.

Regardless, we'll see how all of this plays out as it is very early still, and "crickets" is not how I would describe China's reaction to the attack (nevermind other BRICS nations).

China reacts to Israel's attack on Iran

Israel said it struck Iran to pre-emptively stop an attack and end its ambitions to develop a nuclear bomb.

www.newsweek.com

It's early to tell what BRICS nations will do (if anything), but it is still irrelevant to my point that moving iPhone production from China to India is an ECONOMIC lateral move given that India and China are economic allies.

Lol, stating they're "deeply worried" is not a response. Actions are a response.

I don't know what you need to see to understand the China and India aren't allies of any sort, including economic. India has completely banned any Chinese investment in India-- something not even the USA has done. The Chinese government has been actively attempting to block companies from moving production to India, including notably/recently, Foxconn.

Or, perhaps most tellingly-- what notable things have they actually ever DONE as economic partners? As in, other large groups of economic partners you see sanctions applied on other countries, etc. Collective action, between the countries. Are there any examples of that from BRICS? Actual actions, not words.

 

[Darth Tulhu]

Lol, stating they're "deeply worried" is not a response. Actions are a response.

I don't know what you need to see to understand the China and India aren't allies of any sort, including economic. India has completely banned any Chinese investment in India-- something not even the USA has done. The Chinese government has been actively attempting to block companies from moving production to India, including notably/recently, Foxconn.

Or, perhaps most tellingly-- what notable things have they actually ever DONE as economic partners? As in, other large groups of economic partners you see sanctions applied on other countries, etc. Collective action, between the countries. Are there any examples of that from BRICS? Actual actions, not words.

I agree their relationship is complicated, and perhaps so far it's "just words", but to say that they're not "allies of any sort" is straight up FUD.

From Wikipedia:
"Growth in diplomatic and economic influence has increased the significance of their bilateral relationship. Between 2008 and 2021, China has been India's largest trading partner, and the two countries have also extended their strategic and military relations.[5][6][7][8]".

So again, my point is that from the US perspective, moving manufacturing from China to India is a lateral move, as BRICS exists specifically to counter the West economically.

Straight from Google:

The primary purpose of BRICS is to foster economic cooperation, development, and political coordination among its member countries, which include Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. BRICS also aims to reform global financial and political systems, giving emerging economies a greater voice and influence on the world stage, and to counter the dominance of Western-led institutions.

Elaboration:

• Economic Cooperation:
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  BRICS seeks to promote trade, investment, and economic growth among its members through various initiatives like the New Development Bank (NDB) and bilateral trade agreements.
  
• • Political Coordination:
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    BRICS acts as a platform for member countries to coordinate their positions on international issues, particularly in multilateral forums like the UN, and to challenge the existing global order.
    
  • Challenging Western Dominance:
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    A key objective of BRICS is to reform global institutions like the IMF and World Bank, which are often seen as dominated by Western interests, and to establish alternative financial and political structures that better reflect the needs of emerging economies.
    
  • Counterbalancing Power:
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    BRICS can be seen as a counterweight to the influence of Western powers, providing a space for developing nations to collaborate and assert their interests on the global stage.
    
  • Specific Areas of Cooperation:
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    BRICS also focuses on specific areas like science and technology, health, security, and cultural exchanges to promote development and cooperation among member states.
    
  • Recent Expansion:
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    In 2024, BRICS expanded to include Saudi Arabia, Iran, Ethiopia, the United Arab Emirates, and Egypt, further solidifying its position as a major global bloc."

 

[Obioban]

My point is that until BRICS does something, instead of just talking, they're not really a meaningful organization.

... and I don't see them doing anything any time soon, as they're not countries that are natural allies.

... and if the **** hits the fan in the east indian ocean, I think it's far more likely India is on the anti China side than the pro China side. Meanwhile, China has started making the beginning moves to take territory from Russia.