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iPhone N94 Prototype Back Cover - Is this actually the iPhone 5?
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Do you think Apple employees sit back in there offices and think "Those iPhone 4 owners don't matter because most of them don't upgrade every year anyway! Let's just do a minor upgrade to save money, and give those 3GS people something to buy this time!!!!" If you do, you need to grow something called a brain.
Unless Apple is run by a bunch of apes, their goal is to make as much money as possible. I'm sure they've got TEAMS of people that are specifically trying to figure out ways to get people with iPhone 4's into whatever the next phone is. They'd be STUPID not to. They WANT EVERYONE to buy the phone. If they don't, they're stupid.
Go and play with an iPad and an iPad 2 side by side with iOS 4 and then come crawling back as you will have seen the big difference a 'small' CPU upgrade has made.....
And what about the millions around the rest of earth who have had the iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3Gs, iPhone 4 on sale and most on contract then huh? I know plenty of people with the standard 18 to 24 month contract for the iPhone and they didn't get an iPhone 4 cause they could not upgrade so to state 'no one' will upgrade to an iPhone 4s cause they all have the iPhone 4 is just plain wrong!
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I have a 3GS and didn't upgrade to 4 because my upgrade is unfortunatey caught the middle of the year cycle of iPhones (hopefully this wait for an iPhone changes that).
At this point, I'm so sick of my 3GS. Just give me a iPhone 5 or a 4S(hope not) and I'm buying it. Whatever is new, I'm buying. So over my 3GS. It's been 2 years already!
Oh and give me iOS 5 as well and I'm a happy camper.
I have a 3GS and didn't upgrade to 4 because my upgrade is unfortunatey caught the middle of the year cycle of iPhones (hopefully this wait for an iPhone changes that).
At this point, I'm so sick of my 3GS. Just give me a iPhone 5 or a 4S(hope not) and I'm buying it. Whatever is new, I'm buying. So over my 3GS. It's been 2 years already!
Oh and give me iOS 5 as well and I'm a happy camper.
I'm talking about iphone 4 users upgrading exclusively. I said nothing about 3GS and previous users.
Uhhhh...are you not aware that developers have been using iOS5 for months now and other than maybe the first release, I haven't read ANYTHING about issues in speed on the phone that these developers are using it on...THE IPHONE 4. Even if it did run a little slow, would that be enough incentive to get iPhone 4 users into a 4S? Doubtful.
A lot of really serious fanboys with iPhone 4's WILL upgrade. Even if Apple released an iphone that gave people AIDS, they'd upgrade. That's how serious some people are. For NORMAL people, they will base their decision on upgrading around what features they'll be getting. I LOVE Apple and am an iPhone addict, but I'm also a logical person and I won't upgrade unless it's worth it. A higher megapixel camera, and a faster processor won't do anything for me. Not gonna make me spend my $200. A LOT of people feel the same way.
Like I said before, they'll sell millions no matter what, but they'll sell MORE MILLIONS if they do exactly what I'm saying they should do. Change the form factor.
This is the most idiotic statement I've ever heard.
a 3.5" android screen is just as painful to use as a 3.5" iPhone screen. You either have micro vision and can browse the web on these tiny things, or you don't and would like a larger screen. It's got nothing to do with how "it works".
Well then they can do what I do and just buy the phone. I can then have pay as you go or a 1 month rolling contract which is what I did. Can you not just buy an iPhone in America without a contract?
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Really? So all those widgets that can be placed anywhere on the screen in android don't need space then?
iOS was designed with a 3.5" screen in mind. Latest android is not IMO
Wasn't Apple supposedly testing iP5s in iP4 housings? That's probably all this is. Either that or a part for the cheaper 4 variant. Either way, I'm pretty confident the 5 will have SOME sort of design change. I love the design of the iP4, but at the same time it doesn't strike me as a design that Apple can reuse next generation, it's too unique and not enough universally loved. They have to find some kind of middle ground between the 2G/3G/3GS and the 4's designs.
The iPhone 4 LOOKS so beautiful, although now that it's over a year old, it doesn't have that same effect on me. The problem with it is, for me, that it just feels too rigid in your hand. And it doesn't follow any kind of guideline of design compared to all other apple products. Smooth, curved edges. That's what I'd want.
Most iPhone buyers are not gadget geeks like we are.
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You need to not insult other posters. It's against the rules.
I didn't say Apple weren't going to do a major upgrade, that's all we've had every year. The iPhone 5 will be the upgrade. I'm betting the iPhone 4 won't even see an upgrade, aside from a world chip. It'll be the same iPhone 4 that was put on sale last June, same as the iPhone 3GS currently sold is the same iPhone 3GS that was put on sale in June 2009.
But again, most iPhone 4 owners won't upgrade. The tech gadgets geek that just must have the latest will, but they are far from the majority of owners.
I would put my life on the fact that if they release a new iPhone, a newly designed iPhone, MORE iPhone 4 users will buy than if they release a 4S type of device. That's what I'm trying to get across. Even if only 100,000 iPhone 4 users upgrade because of a change of design, that's 10s of MILLIONS in revenue for Apple. And honestly, I think 100,000 upgrading from the 4 to this phone is a lower number.
It just wouldn't make sense financially to keep the same form factor.
I hope Apple doesn't eff this up.
I want to see more leaks about the iPhone 5, ones which go alongside the case leaks we received. I'm thinking Apple is keeping a tight lip on iPhone 5 leaks, but not the 4S, if this is legit.
actually it seems insulting Apple, Steve Jobs, and Apple users in general is apparently approved.... It's defending against such insults that's not welcome.
Unlike in the past when they kept last year's device as the entry level option as it was just a single model, with iPhone 4 they have two fundamentally different models in GSM & CDMA version.
It makes sense to unify them based on the Qualcomm radio that can support both GSM & CDMA at the same time. They are moving out of Infineon completely, likely will be able to get better pricing on the Qualcomm part considering it's use in every cellular device they make going forward. Makes sense for whatever 'cheap' iPhone to be built around it.
The question of A4 vs. A5 for the cheap phone is more interesting. Both are manufactured using the same 45nm process at Samsung fabs. The A5 has 2.3x the die size of the A4 which is significant. Inside the package there's also 512M of LPDDR2 compared to 256MB of LPDDR of A4. It's hard to see A5 being selected for the cheap device given these facts.
A4 in an A5 package? That would allow them to use a common PCB for both cheap and regular iPhones. No biggie to make two PCB versions just fitting the physically smaller A4 in place of A5 for the cheapo phone.
8GB only for the cheap guy is almost guaranteed. Not sure what flash prices were doing lately but I feel they'll stick to 16/32GB offerings, rather than 64GB on the new ones.
One area of potential cost savings is the display. They produce iPod touches with the same size same resolution screens and look how much they sell them for - unsubsidized! The screen is noticeably worse than the iPhones but hey we're talking a real cheap phone here.
It makes sense to unify them based on the Qualcomm radio that can support both GSM & CDMA at the same time. They are moving out of Infineon completely, likely will be able to get better pricing on the Qualcomm part considering it's use in every cellular device they make going forward. Makes sense for whatever 'cheap' iPhone to be built around it.
The question of A4 vs. A5 for the cheap phone is more interesting. Both are manufactured using the same 45nm process at Samsung fabs. The A5 has 2.3x the die size of the A4 which is significant. Inside the package there's also 512M of LPDDR2 compared to 256MB of LPDDR of A4. It's hard to see A5 being selected for the cheap device given these facts.
A4 in an A5 package? That would allow them to use a common PCB for both cheap and regular iPhones. No biggie to make two PCB versions just fitting the physically smaller A4 in place of A5 for the cheapo phone.
8GB only for the cheap guy is almost guaranteed. Not sure what flash prices were doing lately but I feel they'll stick to 16/32GB offerings, rather than 64GB on the new ones.
One area of potential cost savings is the display. They produce iPod touches with the same size same resolution screens and look how much they sell them for - unsubsidized! The screen is noticeably worse than the iPhones but hey we're talking a real cheap phone here.
There's not going to be a 4S. It's going to be a 5. It might be in the same chassis as the iPhone 4, but you know what ? It'll still be a major upgrade like the 3GS was from the 3G.
Again, guys, it's simple. 2009, Apple sold the iPhone 3G for 99$ and the 3GS for 199$/299$. 2010, iPhone 3GS for 99$, iPhone 4 for 199$/299$. 2011 is going to be iPhone 4 for 99$, iPhone 5 for 199$/299$.
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Nope, insulting other Apple users is not against the rules, nor is defending against posts you don't agree with. It's all in the delivery.
You can criticize Apple, that's a-ok (and frankly, if you don't ever criticize Apple, there's something wrong with you and your objectivity). You can also debate with people who don't agree with Apple as long as you keep it civil.
You can also disprove misinformation about Apple and against Apple, again, as long as you keep it civil.
The problem starts when you insult other posters based on their posts and start polarizing them in a "with us or against us" way like you enjoy doing. Most of the people you label "hater" and "troll" are actually Apple users and you're insulting them instead of addressing their argument.
Yeah, I think they will adopt the lower quality ipod touch screen for the reduced price iPhone 4.
Explain to me, without a design change, what "major upgrade" is going to be. The screen can't be made any better as far as resolution. The only thing left is to make the camera higher resolution, and to make the device even faster.
Both of which aren't necessary to function properly.
So please, let me know what would make anybody using an iPhone 4 buy this iPhone 5 you are describing.
You do know that the upgrade from 3G to 3GS was quite huge in terms of features and functionality, right?
Granted it didn't look any different, which some people can't get beyond, it was quite a "major upgrade".
Will the iPhone 5 get the same treatment... we'll all see... but that's a dumb statement in it's own cuz how can u not expect a "major upgrade" from 4 to 5 right? Numbers don't lie...
You do know that the upgrade from 3G to 3GS was quite huge in terms of features and functionality, right?
Granted it didn't look any different, which some people can't get beyond, it was quite a "major upgrade".
Will the iPhone 5 get the same treatment... we'll all see... but that's a dumb statement in it's own cuz how can u not expect a "major upgrade" from 4 to 5 right? Numbers don't lie...
Nothing in iOS 5 requires a faster processor. Not. One. Thing. It is completely compatible with the iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS.
So, explain to me how you sell the iPhone 5? Regular users don't care about processor speed on their phones -- and rightly so, since a processor is only useful if it adds additional functionality. You could have a 9 GHZ processor in your phone, but if software only requires a 1 GHZ, you are just wasting extra cycles.
Nerds get excited about processors. Regular people get excited about features. If a processor doesn't add new features, it may as well not exist in the minds of anyone with common sense.
Ur absolutely right about the iOS 5 but I'm not talking bout software.
Come this Fall, everyone with a 3GS and up will enjoy iOS 5 and some may feel they don't need to upgrade just on that alone.
What I'm saying is, IF Apple decides to go from iPhone 4 to an iPhone 5, you can guarantee there will be cosmetic and feature differences. Cuz "regular people" are the masses and how do you sell to the mass to buy your new iPhone... ... features. Thus and once more, IF Apple decides to create an iPhone 5, you can bet your last dollar it will be a redesign with new features than the previous model.
Cuz you can't sell to the mass a new iPhone (that looks like the previous iPhone) on software alone. It just doesn't work.
And they could've done that way earlier. Just getting the processor into the device shouldn't have required the long wait, it could've been announced as early as WWDC or even earlier.
Most (earlier) iPhones should have come with a 2-year-contract anyway, which usually needs the phone to be upgraded more or less exactly after that time so Apple will already have pissed off about five million (!) of their customers by October. For a speedbump? I can't imagine that.
Especially since it's Tim Cook's first product launch, which needs to be something special.
I hope the tapered-design renderings are accurate, I still miss the beautiful aluminium backing of the original iphone. So bored of the boxy "ice-cream sandwhich" look of the iphone 4... plus a 4" display wouldn't go amiss!