iPhone = Newton?

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by AHDuke99, Jun 12, 2007.

  1. AHDuke99 macrumors 68020

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    I was talking about the phone with a friend a little while ago, and he said it could be the next Newton. I may agree with him. Yes, it will sell well the first day or so, but after that, what will happen? With reports of the keypad being hard to use, the fingerprints and screen sensitivity, it may be a problem. Most people don't treat phones like delicate objects. Next to all of this, it lacks basic features that most people expect in a mobile phone. My razr has basic things like java, IM, MMS, 3G, Cell Video, Media Net, etc... THe iPhone has none of that. Granted, it does have things my razr doesn't have .. full email, touch screen, iPod, full html internet browser (with no flash). Those are wonderful things.

    However, will non-Mac geeks use email to send pics? Most will say "why can't i send picture messages?" and then say the phone sucks. Many will ask "where is AIM?" and then say the phone sucks when they find out it doesn't have it. People will ask "why can't I play games on it?"

    Many of you just brush it aside and say that they will come eventually, but how many of the average user will hack their phones? How many will buy and then wait to see if something comes. I am kind of uncomfortable with doing that, but I will most likely buy it anyway. THese are things we must consider. I can say we, because I am an apple stock holder. A very nervous one after yesterday and some of the reports coming out about the iPhones features, or lack thereof.

    I certainly hope this doesn't flop, but PDA/Smartphones aren't used by the masses. If there is a steep data plan required for this device, it may not sell as well. Many people may just it just to use the phone and ipod features and not the internet side.

    I guess we'll see come June 29th. Apple has been pretty arrogant in not releasing any kind of feature list nor plan requirement. I am not happy about going in to this not knowing a thing. It isn't fair to any of us. Don't tell me "well no one is forcing you to buy it" BS. They have an obligation to the customer to inform us on what will be on the device so there won't be 21 questions asked by everyone during the launch of the product. it will take forever to get through the lines if everyone has to ask what it does and doesn't do and then get informed on what plans are needed.

    I hope this product is successful, I really do. Hell, my money is riding on this launch. But, the closer it's getting to launch, the more concerned I am about its success. I don't want another Newton, a product that was ahead of its time design wise, but lacked features. Same with the G4 Cube. Apple's done it before, I hope it doesn't happen again.
     
  2. neven macrumors 6502a

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    It's certainly possible that iPhone, as it stands today, may not be a huge success. I'm still hoping that it will be significantly updated.

    It's a bit of a bummer that in the past six months, iPhone has lost many things we took for granted (MMS, voice dialing, IM) and hoped for (improved specs, GPS, third-party apps, streaming media) while gaining... well, nothing pretty much.

    When I saw that it had WiFi and ran OS X I had all sorts of ideas for cool uses. Stream music from and to nearby iTunes libraries. Use as a remote and input device for AppleTV. Stream photos to nearby Macs and AppleTVs. Run Dashboard widgets.

    All of these have already been solved on the desktop. They would just be hugely convenient and cool in iPhone. If I could go to my friend's place with nothing but an iPhone on me and watch a movie I downloaded on his TV & show him some photos on his Mac, that would be infinitely cooler than doing the same with a MacBook instead of an iPhone - and it's the same exact technology. No difference.

    The thing is, this sort of use is not "dorky", or technically demanding, or bad business for Apple. It fits in with their iLife philosophy perfectly. It would make me spend more on movies, music, and photo-related Apple products. It wouldn't make me buy an iPhone instead of a Mac since I'd have to have a Mac in the first place, to sync iPhone to.

    Anyway... it's been pretty disappointing so far. For a while there I was hoping that we'd be pleasantly surprised with "hey, we also threw this in!" news. Instead, it's been feeling more like "wait... it doesn't have that?" I'm not bummed about no 3G, no mp3 ringtones, no physical keyboard. I'll live without those. But why has the iPhone experience shrunk instead of grown since January?
     
  3. AHDuke99 thread starter macrumors 68020

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    It doesn't use MP3 ringtones? Well, add that to my list of things it lacks. That's horrible. I do hope Apple has an update out to save it. AJAX and Web2.0 apps don't fly with me. All it means is that I will have to open up the browser. I want stand alone apps. AT&T has also been pushing video streaming over phones, which it lacks.
     
  4. neven macrumors 6502a

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    This isn't official yet, but the word is, you have to purchase ringtones from the iTunes store... at $2.49/ringtone. More than the cost of a song. It could be baloney, but the recent trend of bummer iPhone news has me believing it...
     
  5. /dev/toaster macrumors 68020

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    I would believe that you have to buy ringtones from iTunes. However, no way in hell will I believe that you need to buy them for $2.49.
     
  6. neven macrumors 6502a

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    It's possible that they'll be... I don't know, 49c. It doesn't really matter. It will still be a bummer for some people.
     
  7. AHDuke99 thread starter macrumors 68020

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    most .. if you cant use songs you already own as ringtones or make your own.
     
  8. meagain macrumors 68030

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    Fingerprints???@!!! That's it! It'll surely fail and now I don't want one.
    :rolleyes:
     
  9. AHDuke99 thread starter macrumors 68020

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    it's fine to keep drinking the apple kool-aid. it may sell fine, but this thread is to raise questions about what it lacks. it's funny you read through the entire post and picked that one thing out to make fun of.
     
  10. BayAreaMacFan macrumors member

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    I guess it's a possibility if there's something fatally wrong with it (battery recalls, faulty screens, security holes), though I really doubt that it won't do incredibly well.
     
  11. iMichael72 macrumors regular

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    No voice dialing? I must have slept on that.

    But I will still get it. To me it looks to be an amazing device.
     
  12. FreeState macrumors 68000

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    Ummm no

    They are stand alone apps... They use Safari to render but will not look like Safari or run in an open browser- they will be more like Widgets.

    Watch the keynote for further proof of this.
     
  13. neven macrumors 6502a

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    Umm... in the keynote, they ran the directory "app" in an open browser. You needed to be online to use it. It was a bookmark. It looked exactly like Safari. Actually, the directory app looked sloppy - the search box was hideous, it scrolled with the rest of the page, the list loaded poorly while scrolling, and the layout was off on the contact name.

    A stand-alone app is exactly what it wasn't, regardless of its other benefits.
     
  14. Taylor C macrumors 6502a

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    The iPhone home screen has been speculated to be 'missing' an icon--presumably an IM client similar to iChat AV. In one of the recent ads, the missing space at the bottom of the home screen is no more, and has been replaced with another icon that we've already seen. However, other sections of the ad showing the full home screen still show the empty space. It's quite possible that there -is- an instant messaging client, but that Apple has yet to announce it.
     
  15. neven macrumors 6502a

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    Seeing how the official AT&T manual specifically states that there is no IM, I think we can be pretty certain that it's not there. I don't think they'd specifically include that bit of info if it could change - they'd risk having not-up-to-date employees saying that no, there is no IM.

    I think if we see it, we'll see it on iPhone 2 along with video chatting. Apple might have to convince AT&T that they'll make a zillion on iPhone with or without IM so it won't matter if it eats away at their precious SMS fees.
     
  16. cgingrich macrumors regular

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    I think it's easy to miss out on Apple's whole concept when they began this thing. The whole point of having a giant screen that syncs with iTunes is so they can update the software whenever the hell they want. This alone will help it be a success......a giant uprising after the release of iPhone about not having iChat....well Apple can just upload it to our phones as an update.

    Think of your Mac right now......with every release of an operating system they add new apps......exact same concept with the phone.

    edit: The iPhone IS essentially a cool operating system, the hardware is negligible.
     
  17. macaddicted macrumors regular

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    I owned a Newton, the Newton was a device of mine. And I can tell you that the iPhone is no Newton.

    Sorry, channeling Llyod Bentsen

    That right there is the main issue. Apple has all but come out and said "It ain't a business phone." A lack of an SDK all but confimed that. I have a Palm TX that I bought about three years ago and a 700p (Verizon) I bought last year. The only thing I will really miss losing is my RPN business calculator.

    I certainly won't miss the fact that I had to buy a email app, an RSS reader and an set of SD cards for storage. And don't get me started about browsing the internet with Blazer, which is pathetic on an 802.11g network (TX) and useless on a EVDO network (700p).

    And yes, the lack of MMS and IM is going to be a pain for some. Apple is emphasizing other things. If the customer needs MMS and IM then the iPhone won't be for them.

    What, as opposed to now? Most people don't have a clue what phone they want when they walk in.

    And I doubt they are going to blindfold you and force you to sign a contract unseen. Apple does things on their own time table. Just look in one of the other hardware forums for the "Should I buy a (fill in apple hardware here) now or wait" posts. Apple has the tech specs up. It was covered at WWDC. So all we're missing is the plan cost.

    Since Jobs' return in 1997 he has played the drum major for the industry. Generally the rest of the "band" has followed. While you're right about the Cube the Newton wasn't Jobs', it was John Sculley's project.

    I understand your worries about the value of Apple's stock. I bought a handful of shares at around $16 and am still kicking myself for selling at around $55. Apple is clearly trying to kick open some new compartments for the company. The iPhone will mature, just as the iPod did. But no, I don't think the iPhone will be anything like the Newton.
     
  18. macaddicted macrumors regular

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    What you want is the Grand Unification Device (GUD), the one device To Rule Them All. If it doesn't have features you want then don't buy it. Oh, that's right were not supposed to tell you not to buy it.

    So then buy it and go bitch over at MacInTouch. Or listen to Dvorak and short Apple. Or hell, gather a bunch of investors and put in a new board. But the device is what the device is.
     
  19. Chaszmyr macrumors 601

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    1. The iPhone is a great product.
    2. The iPhone lacks a lot of features it should have.
    3. Apple has a long reputation of significantly improving products in subsequent releases.

    Newton is irrelevant. That Apple wasn't the same company we know and love today.
     
  20. cjandnw macrumors 6502

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    I'm new to Apple and plan to get an iphone on the 29th. Do you all feel that the majority of the "updates" and "improvements" will be via itunes upload or packaged in a 2nd generation?

    I'm cool with waiting for updates to load via itunes to improve, enhance or add features.
    I'm NOT cool with Apple releasing a 2nd generation iphone2 in the future and being stuck in contract.

    Thoughts?
     
  21. mashinhead macrumors 68020

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    i think apple opening up the iphone to developers will pretty much ensure that it will not be a newtonesque faliure. buy the time it comes out applications will be out a plenty as fast as widgets came out. And you'll be able to do whatever you want on that phone. The limits and down sides will come from the network, the price, and the memory and battery life, but those will all improve. Wi-fi is cool and all but no one leaves their network open, so it's hard to find a time to use it when roaming.
     
  22. Gonzlobo Suspended

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    Jeez, what an idiotic question...
     
  23. illegalprelude macrumors 68000

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    actually he holds a very valid point. None of my friends check their email for pictures or let alone get ther email on their phone. We just snap a picture and send it via text.

    Think of it however you want but its only the geek crowd that will snap a picture, then attach it to their email and then have their friend check their email every once in a while while, oh there goes my phone, it rang and I got a new text or pics messege.

    This is just a huge feature lost for alot of casual users
     
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    You are 100% right - sorry I got this all wrong somehow... err now Im a little more disappointed than before..
     

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